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* [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
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@ 2021-03-23 14:50 ` Stanley Lieber
  2021-03-23 16:34   ` ori
                     ` (3 more replies)
  0 siblings, 4 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Stanley Lieber @ 2021-03-23 14:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

fyi


-------- Original Message --------
From: a@9srv.net
Sent: March 23, 2021 9:06:49 AM EDT
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

We are thrilled to announce that Nokia has transferred the copyright of
Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation. This transfer applies to all of the
Plan 9 from Bell Labs code, from the earliest days through their final
release.

The most exciting immediate effect of this is that the Plan 9 Foundation
is making the historical 1st through 4th editions of Plan 9 available
under the terms of the MIT license. These are the releases as they
existed at the time, with minimal changes to reflect the above.

1st and 2nd edition were never released as open source software, and
both (but especially 1st edition) were only available to a very small
number of people. 3rd and 4th were previously available as open source,
but under a license which was problematic for some people (especially
the 3rd edition). We think making these available under the MIT license
is something that's going to be a significant benefit for all projects
using Plan 9 code. While this doesn't automatically change the license
on any downstream projects, and you're welcome to keep using the LPL if
you like, you now have the option of switching to MIT, which we think
most everyone will find preferable.

Obviously, for folks in the Plan 9 community, there isn't a way to say
"thank you" to Bell Labs, and its various parent organizations, that's
really adequate. None of us would be talking about any of this if it
weren't for the work done there for decades. All of us here at the Plan
9 Foundation express our sincerest thanks to the team at Nokia who made
this possible, the Plan 9 alumni who supported the effort, and the Plan
9 community who have kept kernels booting and the userland useful.

The historical releases are available right now at:
        https://p9f.org/dl/

You can read Nokia's press release on the transfer here:
        https://www.bell-labs.com/institute/blog/plan-9-bell-labs-cyberspace/

Thank you for your time,
Anthony Sorace
Plan 9 Foundation

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* Re: [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
  2021-03-23 14:50 ` [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation Stanley Lieber
@ 2021-03-23 16:34   ` ori
  2021-03-23 17:35     ` Steve Simon
  2021-03-24 16:06     ` ori
  2021-03-23 19:12   ` Kurt H Maier
                     ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  3 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: ori @ 2021-03-23 16:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front; +Cc: a

Quoth Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com>:
> fyi

Great; proposing this change to relicense. CC'ing
a@9srv.net to make sure it's kosher.

Based on IRC discussion, simply updating the text
of the license should be sufficient, since the
code we forked from is now available under the MIT
license.

diff -r cc26fdf57bb2 lib/legal/NOTICE
--- a/lib/legal/NOTICE	Sat Mar 13 14:57:53 2021 +0100
+++ b/lib/legal/NOTICE	Tue Mar 23 08:52:02 2021 -0700
@@ -1,9 +1,8 @@
-Plan 9 from Bell Labs is provided under the terms of the Lucent Public License,
-Version 1.02, reproduced in the file /lib/legal/lpl.
+Plan 9 from Bell Labs is provided under the terms of the MIT license,
+reproduced in the file /lib/legal/mit.
 
-Any additions or changes (as recorded in Mercurial history) made by 9front are provided
-under the terms of the MIT License, reproduced in the file /lib/legal/mit, unless
-otherwise indicated.
+Any additions or changes (as recorded in Mercurial history) made by 9front
+are also provided under the same MIT License, unless otherwise indicated.
 
 The following exceptions apply:
 
diff -r cc26fdf57bb2 lib/legal/lpl
--- a/lib/legal/lpl	Sat Mar 13 14:57:53 2021 +0100
+++ /dev/null	Thu Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 +0000
@@ -1,237 +0,0 @@
-Lucent Public License Version 1.02
-
-THE ACCOMPANYING PROGRAM IS PROVIDED UNDER THE TERMS OF THIS PUBLIC
-LICENSE ("AGREEMENT"). ANY USE, REPRODUCTION OR DISTRIBUTION OF THE
-PROGRAM CONSTITUTES RECIPIENT'S ACCEPTANCE OF THIS AGREEMENT.
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-    accordance with Section 3C, to characterization of the changes and/or
-    additions as Contributions.
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diff -r cc26fdf57bb2 lib/legal/mit
--- a/lib/legal/mit	Sat Mar 13 14:57:53 2021 +0100
+++ b/lib/legal/mit	Tue Mar 23 08:52:02 2021 -0700
@@ -1,4 +1,5 @@
-Copyright (c) 20XX 9front
+Copyright 2021 Plan 9 Foundation
+Copyright (c) 20XX 9front authors
 
 Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy
 of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal


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* Re: [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
  2021-03-23 16:34   ` ori
@ 2021-03-23 17:35     ` Steve Simon
  2021-03-23 18:45       ` Stanley Lieber
  2021-03-24 16:06     ` ori
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Steve Simon @ 2021-03-23 17:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front


hi.

this is great - kudos to all who worked on this. 

would the license cover the single floppy demo of plan9 from the 1st edition?

if it does then has anyone got a copy of this -  just for amusement.

-Steve




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* Re: [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
  2021-03-23 17:35     ` Steve Simon
@ 2021-03-23 18:45       ` Stanley Lieber
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Stanley Lieber @ 2021-03-23 18:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

On March 23, 2021 1:35:19 PM EDT, Steve Simon <steve@quintile.net> wrote:
>
>hi.
>
>this is great - kudos to all who worked on this. 
>
>would the license cover the single floppy demo of plan9 from the 1st edition?
>
>if it does then has anyone got a copy of this -  just for amusement.
>
>-Steve
>
>
>
>

I have this:

http://plan9.stanleylieber.com/1995/

but I believe it is circa 2ed.

sl


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* Re: [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
  2021-03-23 14:50 ` [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation Stanley Lieber
  2021-03-23 16:34   ` ori
@ 2021-03-23 19:12   ` Kurt H Maier
  2021-03-25 17:20     ` Stuart Morrow
  2021-04-09  3:24     ` sl
  2021-03-24 11:59   ` Rodrigo G. López
  2021-03-24 14:47   ` Frederick C. Šķerbergs
  3 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Kurt H Maier @ 2021-03-23 19:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 10:50:25AM -0400, Stanley Lieber wrote:
> fyi

I crammed all four editions into a repo:
http://code.9front.org/hg/mit9

The 4e and 4e-latest tarballs are identical.

khm

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* Re: [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
  2021-03-23 14:50 ` [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation Stanley Lieber
  2021-03-23 16:34   ` ori
  2021-03-23 19:12   ` Kurt H Maier
@ 2021-03-24 11:59   ` Rodrigo G. López
  2021-03-24 12:45     ` hiro
  2021-03-24 14:47   ` Frederick C. Šķerbergs
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Rodrigo G. López @ 2021-03-24 11:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

this is very good news.

thanks to those of you who took part in the release. :)


-rodri

On March 23, 2021 2:50:25 PM UTC, Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com> wrote:
>fyi
>
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>From: a@9srv.net
>Sent: March 23, 2021 9:06:49 AM EDT
>To: 9fans@9fans.net
>Subject: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
>
>We are thrilled to announce that Nokia has transferred the copyright of
>Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation. This transfer applies to all of the
>Plan 9 from Bell Labs code, from the earliest days through their final
>release.
>
>The most exciting immediate effect of this is that the Plan 9
>Foundation
>is making the historical 1st through 4th editions of Plan 9 available
>under the terms of the MIT license. These are the releases as they
>existed at the time, with minimal changes to reflect the above.
>
>1st and 2nd edition were never released as open source software, and
>both (but especially 1st edition) were only available to a very small
>number of people. 3rd and 4th were previously available as open source,
>but under a license which was problematic for some people (especially
>the 3rd edition). We think making these available under the MIT license
>is something that's going to be a significant benefit for all projects
>using Plan 9 code. While this doesn't automatically change the license
>on any downstream projects, and you're welcome to keep using the LPL if
>you like, you now have the option of switching to MIT, which we think
>most everyone will find preferable.
>
>Obviously, for folks in the Plan 9 community, there isn't a way to say
>"thank you" to Bell Labs, and its various parent organizations, that's
>really adequate. None of us would be talking about any of this if it
>weren't for the work done there for decades. All of us here at the Plan
>9 Foundation express our sincerest thanks to the team at Nokia who made
>this possible, the Plan 9 alumni who supported the effort, and the Plan
>9 community who have kept kernels booting and the userland useful.
>
>The historical releases are available right now at:
>        https://p9f.org/dl/
>
>You can read Nokia's press release on the transfer here:
>  https://www.bell-labs.com/institute/blog/plan-9-bell-labs-cyberspace/
>
>Thank you for your time,
>Anthony Sorace
>Plan 9 Foundation
>
>------------------------------------------
>9fans: 9fans
>Permalink:
>https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf20bce89ef96d4b6-M63f81768e4ffdfa4df402ec5
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* Re: [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
  2021-03-24 11:59   ` Rodrigo G. López
@ 2021-03-24 12:45     ` hiro
  2021-03-24 16:23       ` Marshall Conover
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: hiro @ 2021-03-24 12:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

9front is obviously following along as signified by ori's latest
commit adding the MIT and removing the LPL license.

It would be nice to also have a link to the 9front downloads on the
http://p9f.org/ page as that will help many people who might want to
try out Plan 9 on modern hardware.

http://9front.org/releases/

On 3/24/21, Rodrigo G. López <rgl@antares-labs.eu> wrote:
> this is very good news.
>
> thanks to those of you who took part in the release. :)
>
>
> -rodri
>
> On March 23, 2021 2:50:25 PM UTC, Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com>
> wrote:
>>fyi
>>
>>
>>-------- Original Message --------
>>From: a@9srv.net
>>Sent: March 23, 2021 9:06:49 AM EDT
>>To: 9fans@9fans.net
>>Subject: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
>>
>>We are thrilled to announce that Nokia has transferred the copyright of
>>Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation. This transfer applies to all of the
>>Plan 9 from Bell Labs code, from the earliest days through their final
>>release.
>>
>>The most exciting immediate effect of this is that the Plan 9
>>Foundation
>>is making the historical 1st through 4th editions of Plan 9 available
>>under the terms of the MIT license. These are the releases as they
>>existed at the time, with minimal changes to reflect the above.
>>
>>1st and 2nd edition were never released as open source software, and
>>both (but especially 1st edition) were only available to a very small
>>number of people. 3rd and 4th were previously available as open source,
>>but under a license which was problematic for some people (especially
>>the 3rd edition). We think making these available under the MIT license
>>is something that's going to be a significant benefit for all projects
>>using Plan 9 code. While this doesn't automatically change the license
>>on any downstream projects, and you're welcome to keep using the LPL if
>>you like, you now have the option of switching to MIT, which we think
>>most everyone will find preferable.
>>
>>Obviously, for folks in the Plan 9 community, there isn't a way to say
>>"thank you" to Bell Labs, and its various parent organizations, that's
>>really adequate. None of us would be talking about any of this if it
>>weren't for the work done there for decades. All of us here at the Plan
>>9 Foundation express our sincerest thanks to the team at Nokia who made
>>this possible, the Plan 9 alumni who supported the effort, and the Plan
>>9 community who have kept kernels booting and the userland useful.
>>
>>The historical releases are available right now at:
>>        https://p9f.org/dl/
>>
>>You can read Nokia's press release on the transfer here:
>>  https://www.bell-labs.com/institute/blog/plan-9-bell-labs-cyberspace/
>>
>>Thank you for your time,
>>Anthony Sorace
>>Plan 9 Foundation
>>
>>------------------------------------------
>>9fans: 9fans
>>Permalink:
>>https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf20bce89ef96d4b6-M63f81768e4ffdfa4df402ec5
>>Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
>

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* Re: [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
  2021-03-23 14:50 ` [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation Stanley Lieber
                     ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2021-03-24 11:59   ` Rodrigo G. López
@ 2021-03-24 14:47   ` Frederick C. Šķerbergs
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Frederick C. Šķerbergs @ 2021-03-24 14:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

I thought that since Nokia bought Bell Labs everything related to Plan
9 got worse, but I couldn't be more wrong.
Thank you to all who worked on this and Nokia Bell Labs.

--Skerbergs

El mar, 23 mar 2021 a las 15:55, Stanley Lieber
(<sl@stanleylieber.com>) escribió:
>
> fyi
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> From: a@9srv.net
> Sent: March 23, 2021 9:06:49 AM EDT
> To: 9fans@9fans.net
> Subject: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
>
> We are thrilled to announce that Nokia has transferred the copyright of
> Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation. This transfer applies to all of the
> Plan 9 from Bell Labs code, from the earliest days through their final
> release.
>
> The most exciting immediate effect of this is that the Plan 9 Foundation
> is making the historical 1st through 4th editions of Plan 9 available
> under the terms of the MIT license. These are the releases as they
> existed at the time, with minimal changes to reflect the above.
>
> 1st and 2nd edition were never released as open source software, and
> both (but especially 1st edition) were only available to a very small
> number of people. 3rd and 4th were previously available as open source,
> but under a license which was problematic for some people (especially
> the 3rd edition). We think making these available under the MIT license
> is something that's going to be a significant benefit for all projects
> using Plan 9 code. While this doesn't automatically change the license
> on any downstream projects, and you're welcome to keep using the LPL if
> you like, you now have the option of switching to MIT, which we think
> most everyone will find preferable.
>
> Obviously, for folks in the Plan 9 community, there isn't a way to say
> "thank you" to Bell Labs, and its various parent organizations, that's
> really adequate. None of us would be talking about any of this if it
> weren't for the work done there for decades. All of us here at the Plan
> 9 Foundation express our sincerest thanks to the team at Nokia who made
> this possible, the Plan 9 alumni who supported the effort, and the Plan
> 9 community who have kept kernels booting and the userland useful.
>
> The historical releases are available right now at:
>         https://p9f.org/dl/
>
> You can read Nokia's press release on the transfer here:
>         https://www.bell-labs.com/institute/blog/plan-9-bell-labs-cyberspace/
>
> Thank you for your time,
> Anthony Sorace
> Plan 9 Foundation
>
> ------------------------------------------
> 9fans: 9fans
> Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf20bce89ef96d4b6-M63f81768e4ffdfa4df402ec5
> Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
>

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* Re: [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
  2021-03-23 16:34   ` ori
  2021-03-23 17:35     ` Steve Simon
@ 2021-03-24 16:06     ` ori
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: ori @ 2021-03-24 16:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front; +Cc: 9front

Quoth ori@eigenstate.org:
> Quoth Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com>:
> > fyi
> 
> Great; proposing this change to relicense. CC'ing
> a@9srv.net to make sure it's kosher.
> 
> Based on IRC discussion, simply updating the text
> of the license should be sufficient, since the
> code we forked from is now available under the MIT
> license.
> 

This has been committed.

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* Re: [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
  2021-03-24 12:45     ` hiro
@ 2021-03-24 16:23       ` Marshall Conover
  2021-03-24 19:53         ` hiro
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Marshall Conover @ 2021-03-24 16:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

Hi Hiro! Did you intend this to go to the 9fans list, or only the
9front list? I think it's a good idea, but I'm not sure whom you were
proposing it to.

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 12:05 PM hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 9front is obviously following along as signified by ori's latest
> commit adding the MIT and removing the LPL license.
>
> It would be nice to also have a link to the 9front downloads on the
> http://p9f.org/ page as that will help many people who might want to
> try out Plan 9 on modern hardware.
>
> http://9front.org/releases/
>
> On 3/24/21, Rodrigo G. López <rgl@antares-labs.eu> wrote:
> > this is very good news.
> >
> > thanks to those of you who took part in the release. :)
> >
> >
> > -rodri
> >
> > On March 23, 2021 2:50:25 PM UTC, Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com>
> > wrote:
> >>fyi
> >>
> >>
> >>-------- Original Message --------
> >>From: a@9srv.net
> >>Sent: March 23, 2021 9:06:49 AM EDT
> >>To: 9fans@9fans.net
> >>Subject: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
> >>
> >>We are thrilled to announce that Nokia has transferred the copyright of
> >>Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation. This transfer applies to all of the
> >>Plan 9 from Bell Labs code, from the earliest days through their final
> >>release.
> >>
> >>The most exciting immediate effect of this is that the Plan 9
> >>Foundation
> >>is making the historical 1st through 4th editions of Plan 9 available
> >>under the terms of the MIT license. These are the releases as they
> >>existed at the time, with minimal changes to reflect the above.
> >>
> >>1st and 2nd edition were never released as open source software, and
> >>both (but especially 1st edition) were only available to a very small
> >>number of people. 3rd and 4th were previously available as open source,
> >>but under a license which was problematic for some people (especially
> >>the 3rd edition). We think making these available under the MIT license
> >>is something that's going to be a significant benefit for all projects
> >>using Plan 9 code. While this doesn't automatically change the license
> >>on any downstream projects, and you're welcome to keep using the LPL if
> >>you like, you now have the option of switching to MIT, which we think
> >>most everyone will find preferable.
> >>
> >>Obviously, for folks in the Plan 9 community, there isn't a way to say
> >>"thank you" to Bell Labs, and its various parent organizations, that's
> >>really adequate. None of us would be talking about any of this if it
> >>weren't for the work done there for decades. All of us here at the Plan
> >>9 Foundation express our sincerest thanks to the team at Nokia who made
> >>this possible, the Plan 9 alumni who supported the effort, and the Plan
> >>9 community who have kept kernels booting and the userland useful.
> >>
> >>The historical releases are available right now at:
> >>        https://p9f.org/dl/
> >>
> >>You can read Nokia's press release on the transfer here:
> >>  https://www.bell-labs.com/institute/blog/plan-9-bell-labs-cyberspace/
> >>
> >>Thank you for your time,
> >>Anthony Sorace
> >>Plan 9 Foundation
> >>
> >>------------------------------------------
> >>9fans: 9fans
> >>Permalink:
> >>https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf20bce89ef96d4b6-M63f81768e4ffdfa4df402ec5
> >>Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
> >



-- 
Have a good day,

Marshall Conover

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* Re: [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
  2021-03-24 16:23       ` Marshall Conover
@ 2021-03-24 19:53         ` hiro
  2021-03-24 20:00           ` Kurt H Maier
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: hiro @ 2021-03-24 19:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

good point. originally i had wanted to write it to 9fans.
i can try another time, unless somebody with more diplomatic skills
wants to take on to nudge them about this

On 3/24/21, Marshall Conover <marzhall.o@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Hiro! Did you intend this to go to the 9fans list, or only the
> 9front list? I think it's a good idea, but I'm not sure whom you were
> proposing it to.
>
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 12:05 PM hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 9front is obviously following along as signified by ori's latest
>> commit adding the MIT and removing the LPL license.
>>
>> It would be nice to also have a link to the 9front downloads on the
>> http://p9f.org/ page as that will help many people who might want to
>> try out Plan 9 on modern hardware.
>>
>> http://9front.org/releases/
>>
>> On 3/24/21, Rodrigo G. López <rgl@antares-labs.eu> wrote:
>> > this is very good news.
>> >
>> > thanks to those of you who took part in the release. :)
>> >
>> >
>> > -rodri
>> >
>> > On March 23, 2021 2:50:25 PM UTC, Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>fyi
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>-------- Original Message --------
>> >>From: a@9srv.net
>> >>Sent: March 23, 2021 9:06:49 AM EDT
>> >>To: 9fans@9fans.net
>> >>Subject: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
>> >>
>> >>We are thrilled to announce that Nokia has transferred the copyright of
>> >>Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation. This transfer applies to all of the
>> >>Plan 9 from Bell Labs code, from the earliest days through their final
>> >>release.
>> >>
>> >>The most exciting immediate effect of this is that the Plan 9
>> >>Foundation
>> >>is making the historical 1st through 4th editions of Plan 9 available
>> >>under the terms of the MIT license. These are the releases as they
>> >>existed at the time, with minimal changes to reflect the above.
>> >>
>> >>1st and 2nd edition were never released as open source software, and
>> >>both (but especially 1st edition) were only available to a very small
>> >>number of people. 3rd and 4th were previously available as open source,
>> >>but under a license which was problematic for some people (especially
>> >>the 3rd edition). We think making these available under the MIT license
>> >>is something that's going to be a significant benefit for all projects
>> >>using Plan 9 code. While this doesn't automatically change the license
>> >>on any downstream projects, and you're welcome to keep using the LPL if
>> >>you like, you now have the option of switching to MIT, which we think
>> >>most everyone will find preferable.
>> >>
>> >>Obviously, for folks in the Plan 9 community, there isn't a way to say
>> >>"thank you" to Bell Labs, and its various parent organizations, that's
>> >>really adequate. None of us would be talking about any of this if it
>> >>weren't for the work done there for decades. All of us here at the Plan
>> >>9 Foundation express our sincerest thanks to the team at Nokia who made
>> >>this possible, the Plan 9 alumni who supported the effort, and the Plan
>> >>9 community who have kept kernels booting and the userland useful.
>> >>
>> >>The historical releases are available right now at:
>> >>        https://p9f.org/dl/
>> >>
>> >>You can read Nokia's press release on the transfer here:
>> >>  https://www.bell-labs.com/institute/blog/plan-9-bell-labs-cyberspace/
>> >>
>> >>Thank you for your time,
>> >>Anthony Sorace
>> >>Plan 9 Foundation
>> >>
>> >>------------------------------------------
>> >>9fans: 9fans
>> >>Permalink:
>> >>https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf20bce89ef96d4b6-M63f81768e4ffdfa4df402ec5
>> >>Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
>> >
>
>
>
> --
> Have a good day,
>
> Marshall Conover
>

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* Re: [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
  2021-03-24 19:53         ` hiro
@ 2021-03-24 20:00           ` Kurt H Maier
  2021-03-24 22:55             ` hiro
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Kurt H Maier @ 2021-03-24 20:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 08:53:14PM +0100, hiro wrote:
> good point. originally i had wanted to write it to 9fans.
> i can try another time, unless somebody with more diplomatic skills
> wants to take on to nudge them about this

Is it a good idea?  Might be more confusing than anything else.

khm

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread

* Re: [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
  2021-03-24 20:00           ` Kurt H Maier
@ 2021-03-24 22:55             ` hiro
  2021-03-25  0:50               ` Stanley Lieber
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: hiro @ 2021-03-24 22:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

not more confusing than putting 9legacy or miller's rpi links IMO
i just would prefer equal visibility

On 3/24/21, Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 08:53:14PM +0100, hiro wrote:
>> good point. originally i had wanted to write it to 9fans.
>> i can try another time, unless somebody with more diplomatic skills
>> wants to take on to nudge them about this
>
> Is it a good idea?  Might be more confusing than anything else.
>
> khm
>

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread

* Re: [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
  2021-03-24 22:55             ` hiro
@ 2021-03-25  0:50               ` Stanley Lieber
  2021-03-25  2:17                 ` Stanley Lieber
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Stanley Lieber @ 2021-03-25  0:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

On March 24, 2021 6:55:02 PM EDT, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
>not more confusing than putting 9legacy or miller's rpi links IMO
>i just would prefer equal visibility
>
>On 3/24/21, Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 08:53:14PM +0100, hiro wrote:
>>> good point. originally i had wanted to write it to 9fans.
>>> i can try another time, unless somebody with more diplomatic skills
>>> wants to take on to nudge them about this
>>
>> Is it a good idea?  Might be more confusing than anything else.
>>
>> khm
>>
>

someone asked them why 9front wasn't linked on the same day p9f.org was originally announced, so they're well aware of the ommission.

sl

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* Re: [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
  2021-03-25  0:50               ` Stanley Lieber
@ 2021-03-25  2:17                 ` Stanley Lieber
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Stanley Lieber @ 2021-03-25  2:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

On March 24, 2021 8:50:00 PM EDT, Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com> wrote:
>On March 24, 2021 6:55:02 PM EDT, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>not more confusing than putting 9legacy or miller's rpi links IMO
>>i just would prefer equal visibility
>>
>>On 3/24/21, Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 08:53:14PM +0100, hiro wrote:
>>>> good point. originally i had wanted to write it to 9fans.
>>>> i can try another time, unless somebody with more diplomatic skills
>>>> wants to take on to nudge them about this
>>>
>>> Is it a good idea?  Might be more confusing than anything else.
>>>
>>> khm
>>>
>>
>
>someone asked them why 9front wasn't linked on the same day p9f.org was originally announced, so they're well aware of the ommission.
>
>sl
>

also: p9f -> plan9front

sl

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread

* Re: [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
  2021-03-23 19:12   ` Kurt H Maier
@ 2021-03-25 17:20     ` Stuart Morrow
  2021-03-25 17:34       ` Kurt H Maier
  2021-04-09  3:24     ` sl
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Stuart Morrow @ 2021-03-25 17:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

> I crammed all four editions into a repo:
> http://code.9front.org/hg/mit9
>
> The 4e and 4e-latest tarballs are identical.
>
> khm

All I'm getting here is five copies of 1e (contains cda and help) with
a 2e readme.

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread

* Re: [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
  2021-03-25 17:20     ` Stuart Morrow
@ 2021-03-25 17:34       ` Kurt H Maier
  2021-03-25 17:52         ` Stuart Morrow
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Kurt H Maier @ 2021-03-25 17:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 05:20:31PM +0000, Stuart Morrow wrote:
> > I crammed all four editions into a repo:
> > http://code.9front.org/hg/mit9
> >
> > The 4e and 4e-latest tarballs are identical.
> >
> > khm
> 
> All I'm getting here is five copies of 1e (contains cda and help) with
> a 2e readme.

Not sure what broke -- I'll redo it


^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread

* Re: [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
  2021-03-25 17:34       ` Kurt H Maier
@ 2021-03-25 17:52         ` Stuart Morrow
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Stuart Morrow @ 2021-03-25 17:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

>> All I'm getting here is five copies of 1e (contains cda and help) with
>> a 2e readme.
>
> Not sure what broke -- I'll redo it

My description wasn't quite correct - a search for twig[1] turns up
just 1 and 2e, as it should do.

[1] http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9_2nd_ed/1/twig

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* Re: [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
  2021-03-23 19:12   ` Kurt H Maier
  2021-03-25 17:20     ` Stuart Morrow
@ 2021-04-09  3:24     ` sl
  2021-04-10  1:10       ` Roman Shaposhnik
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: sl @ 2021-04-09  3:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

the following have been added:

9atom
clive
inferno-1.0e
inferno-1.1e
inferno-3e
plan_9_1st_ed
plan_9_3rd_ed

thanks, everyone.

sl

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* Re: [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
  2021-04-09  3:24     ` sl
@ 2021-04-10  1:10       ` Roman Shaposhnik
  2021-04-10  1:35         ` Stanley Lieber
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Roman Shaposhnik @ 2021-04-10  1:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

I really don't get what this is all about when the license:
   https://opensource.org/licenses/LPL-1.02
clearly states:

"a. Subject to the terms of this Agreement, each Contributor hereby grants
Recipient a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free copyright license to
reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform,
distribute and sublicense the Contribution of such Contributor, if any, and
such derivative works, in source code and object code form."

Therefore, anyone who has contributed has explicitly granted the
sublicensing right.

Thanks,
Roman.


On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 2:08 AM <sl@stanleylieber.com> wrote:
>
> the following have been added:
>
> 9atom
> clive
> inferno-1.0e
> inferno-1.1e
> inferno-3e
> plan_9_1st_ed
> plan_9_3rd_ed
>
> thanks, everyone.
>
> sl

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread

* Re: [9front] Fwd: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
  2021-04-10  1:10       ` Roman Shaposhnik
@ 2021-04-10  1:35         ` Stanley Lieber
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Stanley Lieber @ 2021-04-10  1:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

On April 9, 2021 9:10:52 PM EDT, Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
>I really don't get what this is all about when the license:
>   https://opensource.org/licenses/LPL-1.02
>clearly states:
>
>"a. Subject to the terms of this Agreement, each Contributor hereby grants
>Recipient a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free copyright license to
>reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform,
>distribute and sublicense the Contribution of such Contributor, if any, and
>such derivative works, in source code and object code form."
>
>Therefore, anyone who has contributed has explicitly granted the
>sublicensing right.
>
>Thanks,
>Roman.
>
>
>On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 2:08 AM <sl@stanleylieber.com> wrote:
>>
>> the following have been added:
>>
>> 9atom
>> clive
>> inferno-1.0e
>> inferno-1.1e
>> inferno-3e
>> plan_9_1st_ed
>> plan_9_3rd_ed
>>
>> thanks, everyone.
>>
>> sl
>

evidently I mistakenly responded to the wrong list/thread. this was intended to be a reply to a request on the cat-v mailing list to add recently unencumbered man pages to man.cat-v.org.

early editions of plan 9 had not been previously released under the lpl (much less the current mit license).

anyway, you're welcome.

sl

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