Re: [9front] mail crazyness

[hiro <23hiro@gmail.com>]

he is right though that there are some really stupid defaults: like
that it's hard to just open a few rio windows sharing a namespace,
unless you're fine using a subrio (but i hate such deep hierarchies
being imposed on me).

hopefully some time we can change this.

william: subrio means running rio inside rio. and this is relevant,
because if you mount something and THEN start rio, all rio windows
will see that mount.

On 7/23/20, sirjofri+ml-9front@sirjofri.de
<sirjofri+ml-9front@sirjofri.de> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> that's why I used half a year reading all documentation I could find on plan
> 9. You need a solid understanding of how things work.
>
> Factotum for example. You need factotum, even if you don't want to store
> your passwords. Every software uses factotum for authentication.
>
> Upas is nice and opens the default mailbox with your -f parameter. It's
> important to understand what upas as a filesystem is and read the man page
> to learn more about it.
>
> Obviously, read the man pages. Start by typing:
>
> man factotum
> man upasfs
>
> And read what's there. Also read the fqa. Read the important sections.
>
> I know plan9 is frustrating if you are a beginner, it's good to forget
> everything you know from other systems, including unix. Start at zero and be
> a learner.
>
> I hope this is constructive and helpful.
>
> Have fun
>
> sirjofri
>
> 23.07.2020 11:56:33 William Gunnells <gunnells@gmail.com>:
>> I have never had such a hard time getting something that should be so
>> simple to work
>>
>> It seems like I type out the same commands over and over again and gamble
>> at what needs to be done.
>>
>> This a huge amount of confusion. If I boot the system into cpu/auth mode I
>> seem to get further. But honestly I don’t believe it. I know that wherever
>> or however I log in I am glenda
>>
>> Typing in the same commands over and over is simply silly. Nothing seems
>> to stick
>>
>> I actually got the mail to work only for the container to accidentally get
>> rebooted because of other issues
>> and the fact I really didn’t understand persistence
>>
>> To actually check mail I have to type the following
>>
>> auth/factotum. By the way this is either in the profile or cpurc. Not sure
>> why I have to do that. Seems silly.
>>
>> echo ‘key proto=pass server=imap.gmail.com service=imap
>> user=thinktankworkspaces !password=whaterver’>/mnt/factotum/ctl
>>
>> then run
>> upas/fs -f /imaps/imap.gmail.com/thinktankworkspaces@gmail.com
>>
>> Even after I get this far I’m still not to sure I did things right. A
>> prompt does ask me to enter the password.
>>
>> It seems like /mnt/factotum/ctl has two entries,  one with full email
>> including the @ symbol and one without the @ symbol. Seems kind of
>> redundant. Why run the echo statement in the first place.
>>
>> But no. I’m not done yet
>>
>> i need to mount this file or open this file
>> echo open /imaps/imap.gmail.com/thinktankworkspaces mbox >/mail/fs/ctl
>> Still not sure if I need the @ symbol or not. But guess what I get an
>> error permission denied or its busy or whatever
>>
>> I have to run upas/fs -n
>>
>> Honestly not even sure about the order of this verses -f anymore. Seems
>> like -n doesn’t interfere with file or something like that according to
>> the man page.
>>
>> But it seems to be the only way to mount that file or whatever.
>>
>> And I have to do that on the same screen, same namespace, because I can’t
>> draw another screen. I already did too much work to get this far.  I can
>> run acme and enter ‘Mail’ somewhere/anywhere then click it and things seem
>> to work. But I can only send email from myself to myself using my
>> gmail.com account. I can’t send it to another person or another email
>> account. I can’t figure out why. It did work before the crash. Oh and I
>> won’t bore you with the details of doing this twice on two draw screens
>> because i wanted to test ‘faces’. Lot's of copy and paste.
>>
>> I suspect it has something to do with rewrite. I made the mistake of
>> deleting it. But since the original file had very little anyways. I didn’t
>> think it was a big deal to delete it and 'cp rewrite.gateway rewrite'.
>>
>> Then change the domain to \1@gmail.com. But while it worked before. It no
>> longer works now. I can’t send mail.
>>
>> I thought perhaps because I deleted and re-created it, if you look closely
>> its owned by Glenda
>> ——rw-rw-r-- M 24 glenda upas 1154 Jul 23 06:40 rewrite
>>
>> Plan9 does not have chown, and chgrp does not work something about stats.
>>
>> while I have the correct imap in /mnt/factotum/ctl I also made sure I had
>> the correct smtp in /mnt/factotum/ctl
>>
>> Still now sure what /mail/lib/remotemail is supposed to do. I have run it
>> before to see what it does. It does make a connection without errors.
>> Perhaps this is a wrapper for for upas. Seems logical
>>
>> I have the correct sender, address and gmail statements as listed in the
>> documentation.
>>
>> i believe I have the x509 files created for both /sys/lib/tls/mail and
>> /sys/lib/tls/smtp
>>
>> Why honestly is this so difficult. I believe this to be a huge problem.
>> There is no step by step instructions that say.
>>
>> Wait!!!! Don’t change screens, because you will be in a different
>> namespace. Oh wait please remember this doesn’t persists. Oh wait you kind
>> of want things in a profile. Why are they not in the profile in the first
>> place. They can be in there and commented out. And HONESTLY. How do I know
>> this profile is really working.
>>
>> The profile already had the following to begin with.
>>
>> webfs
>> plumber
>> upas/fs -n
>> rio -i riostart
>>
>> I still have to type this when I drawterm from another OS. So I don’t see
>> the point.
>>
>> If I boot to CPU/Auth and want yo run rio from the terminal its an even
>> greater nightmare. But no big deal
>> I did figure it out
>>
>> I need to have
>> mouseport=ps2
>> vgasize=1024x768x16
>> aux/mouse $mouseport
>> fork; aux/realemu; aux/vga -m visa -l $vgasize # wow really who came up
>> with that
>> #####and I need
>> bind -a ‘#i’ /dev
>> ####then
>> exec rio -i riostart
>>
>> Now I have a GUI that comes up after reboot as cpu/auth
>>
>> I swear auth/keyfs and auth/factotum were mounted or started in that cpurc
>> file
>>
>> For the love of God why do I have to type it in again.
>>
>> Why when I drawterm from another OS it doesn’t seem to really make a
>> difference and I have to type auth/keyfs or auth/factotum or whatever.
>>
>> I do check log files. Sometimes they are helpful. Like incorrect this or
>> incorrect that but then sometimes it reads a tls message has been sent at
>> such and such time. But no mail was actually sent. OMG
>>
>> Lastly I’m super confused on persisting. It seems wasteful to run the
>> commands in some mounted area and re-echo the same commands again. There
>> should be a way to pull in or merge from existing /factotucm/ctl
>>
>> Clarity would be nice
>>
>> Damn. I hate asking for Pink Ponies.
>>
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