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From: sirjofri <sirjofri+ml-9front@sirjofri.de>
To: 9front@9front.org
Subject: Re: [9front] 9front on the Allwinner A64
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 09:04:01 +0100 (GMT+01:00)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ccda768f-67e2-4560-9b5b-395b8d253f4f@sirjofri.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y4U535YLKPRrARi6@wopr>


I think you guys don't fully understand what I plan to do, UI-wise.

I want a pure Plan 9 phone. This doesn't mean I want an adjusted rio and a way to do mouse clicks to fulfill the expectations of what Plan 9 intended for a desktop UI with a mouse and keyboard.

This means, I want to design a fully new UI system that matches the philosophical expectation of "Plan 9", whatever this means. It's not a definitive concept yet, although I have a few ideas that I want to test out (and bitsy/keyboard will be used as a starter).

The goal is to have a Plan 9 device that really feels like a Plan 9 phone, but with a natural way to interact with the system.

Of course I could just copy smartphone UI stuff from Android (or iOS), but you'll soon feel that it's not a Plan 9 system at all. It'd merely be a "modern" UI with a Plan 9 kernel under the hood, much like you don't feel a linux under Android although it is there.

I want the system to be so Plan 9-ey that you can feel Plan 9 each time you use it. I want the system to be fun in a way that you _want_ to use it. I want the system to be productive so that you _can_ use it. And finally (maybe not finally) I want the system so that you can use it within your bigger context of a Plan 9 grid[1].

It should feel natural to interact with existing backend system components like the plumber. In fact, Android has a similar system with its intents, but I can't just copy that and make it work with plumber; it would never feel right. I have to go back to the roots of Plan 9 UI development and design a new system from the ground up, that feels as natural as clicking with a mouse inside acme or using the context menu to send data to the plumber.

I know this is a big challenge and is definitely worth a paper. I wish I had more time to prepare design documentation and concept descriptions for you. The good thing is, I can very likely start developing (and testing, to some extent) on a Plan 9 system on a computer.


[1] This means, you can naturally access your phone from any grid device et vice versa. So you can basically rcpu into your phone and do phone calls.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-29  8:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-27 19:45 sirjofri
2022-11-28  0:26 ` adventures in9
2022-11-28  7:56   ` sirjofri
2022-11-28 21:06     ` adventures in9
2022-11-28 21:20       ` unobe
2022-11-28 22:44       ` Kurt H Maier
2022-11-29  8:04         ` sirjofri [this message]
2022-11-29 14:42           ` Kurt H Maier
2022-11-29 16:50             ` sirjofri
2022-11-29 18:04               ` Tom Schwindl
2022-11-29 18:59                 ` adventures in9
2022-11-29 19:23                   ` Tom Schwindl
2022-11-30  2:38           ` Stuart Morrow
2022-11-30  6:34             ` adventures in9
2022-12-01 14:12               ` Stuart Morrow
2022-11-30  2:35       ` Stuart Morrow

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