[Caml-list] CDK with Ocaml 3.06

[Caml-list] CDK with Ocaml 3.06

[David Frese]

Hello folks,

when will there be a CDK-3.06? I mean the CDK with the ocaml 3.06
compiler?

Or an alternative question would be, how i can integrate ocaml 3.06 into
the cdk? I tried to use "make upcaml" but that did not work.

Thanks, David.

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Re: [Caml-list] CDK with Ocaml 3.06

[Jérôme Marant]

David Frese <dfrese@dfrese.de> writes:

> Hello folks,

Hello,

> when will there be a CDK-3.06? I mean the CDK with the ocaml 3.06
> compiler?
>
> Or an alternative question would be, how i can integrate ocaml 3.06 into
> the cdk? I tried to use "make upcaml" but that did not work.

CDK is no longer supported. So if you want to use it, you'll
have to make the changes for ocaml 3.06 yourself.

Cheers,

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Re: [Caml-list] CDK with Ocaml 3.06

[Chris Hecker]

>CDK is no longer supported. So if you want to use it, you'll
>have to make the changes for ocaml 3.06 yourself.

Is there any plan to "break up" the CDK libraries again?  In some ways it's 
worse now than before, because now a lot of the libraries (like asmdynlink) 
depend on a ton of CDK files and patches to the compiler because it was 
"convenient" to do so in the CDK.  But, now that the CDK is dead, it's even 
harder to separate out the libraries you want.

So, while it was a noble effort and I really respect and appreciate the 
effort and the attempt, it's kind of a lose now because all of those 
previously separate useful libraries are trapped in the decaying body!  :)

Chris


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Re: [Caml-list] CDK with Ocaml 3.06

[Jérôme Marant]

Chris Hecker <checker@d6.com> writes:

>>CDK is no longer supported. So if you want to use it, you'll
>>have to make the changes for ocaml 3.06 yourself.
>
> Is there any plan to "break up" the CDK libraries again?  In some ways
> it's worse now than before, because now a lot of the libraries (like
> asmdynlink) depend on a ton of CDK files and patches to the compiler
> because it was "convenient" to do so in the CDK.  But, now that the
> CDK is dead, it's even harder to separate out the libraries you want.
>
> So, while it was a noble effort and I really respect and appreciate
> the effort and the attempt, it's kind of a lose now because all of
> those previously separate useful libraries are trapped in the decaying
> body!  :)

If it is no longer supported, how can there be any kind of plan
to do something? 

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Re: [Caml-list] CDK with Ocaml 3.06

[Sven LUTHER]

On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 04:20:04PM -0700, Chris Hecker wrote:
> 
> >CDK is no longer supported. So if you want to use it, you'll
> >have to make the changes for ocaml 3.06 yourself.
> 
> Is there any plan to "break up" the CDK libraries again?  In some ways it's 
> worse now than before, because now a lot of the libraries (like asmdynlink) 
> depend on a ton of CDK files and patches to the compiler because it was 
> "convenient" to do so in the CDK.  But, now that the CDK is dead, it's even 
> harder to separate out the libraries you want.
> 
> So, while it was a noble effort and I really respect and appreciate the 
> effort and the attempt, it's kind of a lose now because all of those 
> previously separate useful libraries are trapped in the decaying body!  :)

I think many of said libraries are also available outside of the CDK, so
it is easy to use these versions, maybe looking if there were patches
and trying to integrate them in the upstream package.

That would leave only a few libraries (i hope, i have not looked though)
to take out of the CDK again. Best would be to do that one by one, and
it should not cause too much problem, maybe reverting to pre-cdk
versions and applying the cdk patches increasingly would help.

I have another crazy thought. Now that the cdk is dead, many people
would still like this functionality. I have not looked at it clearly,
but we, the debian maintainers of ocaml package, already have something
that works and is thigly integrated, checks dependencies and so on.
Maybe, i did not think much about it but still there is a chance that it
would work, so maybe it would be possible to somehow port at least a
part of dpkg/apt or have a minimal feature equivalent thingy which could
be used to provide a cdk like functionality to all ocaml users. The
added benefit would be that there was more testing of ocaml package
and more visibility of our needs by upstream developpers (good for us),
and direct availability of the packages we already maintain for the
people not using debian.

The real difference is that debian is a binary distribution, while the
CDK was more of a source distribution. We already support all the linux
arches (well, ocaml and co builds on 11 of them or so) as well as hurd,
and there is a BSD port on the way, so this would mean only adapting to
the remaining arches (mostly solaris and windows, am i right ?)

Sure, it would be lot of work, and i personally have not the time for it
right now, but it could be a good idea. What do you all think of it.

Friendly,

Sven Luther
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Re: [Caml-list] CDK with Ocaml 3.06

[Sven LUTHER]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 09:37:33AM +0200, luther wrote:
> The real difference is that debian is a binary distribution, while the
> CDK was more of a source distribution. We already support all the linux
> arches (well, ocaml and co builds on 11 of them or so) as well as hurd,
> and there is a BSD port on the way, so this would mean only adapting to
> the remaining arches (mostly solaris and windows, am i right ?)

And MacOS X, BeOS also comes to mind.

Friendly,

Sven Luther
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Re: [Caml-list] CDK with Ocaml 3.06

[Dave Mason]

>>>>> On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:41:38 +0200, Sven LUTHER <luther@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> said:

>> The real difference is that debian is a binary distribution, while
>> the CDK was more of a source distribution. We already support all
>> the linux arches (well, ocaml and co builds on 11 of them or so) as
>> well as hurd, and there is a BSD port on the way, so this would
>> mean only adapting to the remaining arches (mostly solaris and
>> windows, am i right ?)

> And MacOS X, BeOS also comes to mind.

There is something called fink (fink.sourceforge.org) to provide Unix
tools for MacOS-X that (indirectly) uses apt-get to get either sources
or binaries, building the sources if necessary.  Possibly a
modification of that wouldn't be too hard to do.

../Dave
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Re: [Caml-list] CDK with Ocaml 3.06

[Sven LUTHER]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 04:21:53AM -0400, Dave Mason wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:41:38 +0200, Sven LUTHER <luther@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> said:
> 
> >> The real difference is that debian is a binary distribution, while
> >> the CDK was more of a source distribution. We already support all
> >> the linux arches (well, ocaml and co builds on 11 of them or so) as
> >> well as hurd, and there is a BSD port on the way, so this would
> >> mean only adapting to the remaining arches (mostly solaris and
> >> windows, am i right ?)
> 
> > And MacOS X, BeOS also comes to mind.
> 
> There is something called fink (fink.sourceforge.org) to provide Unix
> tools for MacOS-X that (indirectly) uses apt-get to get either sources
> or binaries, building the sources if necessary.  Possibly a
> modification of that wouldn't be too hard to do.

Apple uses a modification of apt/dpkg for darwin also, so it would not
be to far away. I was more thinking along the lines of a partial/minimal
reimplementation in ocaml though, using a separate status archive on
systems who don't have integrated package system. If MacOS X can be made
to use apt or something similar, i would be interrested by where they
get the packages from, and if the plain debian source packages can be
used there. Any mac user care for it enough to try ?

The problem will also be present for people not using a debian based
linux distrib, but i guess they rely on either inria packages or they OS
vendor. Altough i suppose if we manage to have something working that
works on windows, they can use it too without much modifications.

Friendly,

Sven Luther
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Re: [Caml-list] CDK with Ocaml 3.06

[Chris Hecker]

>If it is no longer supported, how can there be any kind of plan
>to do something?

:)

What I was really asking was if any of the authors of packages that are now 
only in the CDK (like asmdynlink) are planning on pulling their packages 
back out.  I assumed there were more than just asmdynlink that are now 
"trapped" in the CDK, but maybe that's the only one.

We SO need a package manager like CPAN/apt/dpgk/anything!  Someone must 
have a grad student they can throw at this problem! :)

Chris


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Re: [Caml-list] CDK with Ocaml 3.06

[David Frese]

On Mon, 2002-10-14 at 11:15, Chris Hecker wrote:

> I assumed there were more than just asmdynlink that are now 
> "trapped" in the CDK, but maybe that's the only one.

No that's not the only one. The library that I want to use is the Xlib,
and it depends on the Concur module, which itself depends on the Unix2
module, for example. But I'm now trying to "unfold" it.

> We SO need a package manager like CPAN/apt/dpgk/anything!  Someone must 
> have a grad student they can throw at this problem! :)

Hey, don't make jokes on us! :-)

David.

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Re: [Caml-list] CDK with Ocaml 3.06

[Alan Schmitt]

* Chris Hecker (checker@d6.com) wrote:
> What I was really asking was if any of the authors of packages that are now 
> only in the CDK (like asmdynlink) are planning on pulling their packages 
> back out.  I assumed there were more than just asmdynlink that are now 
> "trapped" in the CDK, but maybe that's the only one.

I have pulled out the client ftp library, and put it back where it first
came from (a small thing called camlgrenouille).

Alan

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Re: [Caml-list] CDK with Ocaml 3.06

[Stefano Zacchiroli]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 02:15:38AM -0700, Chris Hecker wrote:
> We SO need a package manager like CPAN/apt/dpgk/anything!  Someone must 
> have a grad student they can throw at this problem! :)


I can't understand this recurring obstination: we _have_ a package
manager, it's name is 'findlib'.
It's ligthweight, simple, and do its dirty work well.

When there was the CDK I have seen a sort of concurrency between findlib
and CDK, but now .... is better not to use any package manager or to use
findlib?

[ please not that I've never used the CDK, I'm only replying regarding
  the need of a package manager, please forget this mail if it will be
  evidently off-thread ]

My 0.02 EUR.
Cheers.

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Re: [Caml-list] CDK with Ocaml 3.06

[malc]

On 14 Oct 2002, David Frese wrote:

> On Mon, 2002-10-14 at 11:15, Chris Hecker wrote:
> 
> > I assumed there were more than just asmdynlink that are now 
> > "trapped" in the CDK, but maybe that's the only one.
> 
> No that's not the only one. The library that I want to use is the Xlib,
> and it depends on the Concur module, which itself depends on the Unix2
> module, for example. But I'm now trying to "unfold" it.

I unfolded it a while ago, it's bundled as part of:
http://algol.prosalg.no/~malc/icedock/icedock-xlib-0.09.tar.gz

Xlib subdirectory inside the archive contains completely self contained
version of the library.

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