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From: Martin Berger <martinb@dcs.qmul.ac.uk>
To: Caml Mailing List <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] GC and file descriptors
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:03:00 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3FBBB054.6000001@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20031119165408.GA16427@redhat.com>

Richard Jones wrote:

 >>   forall A B E: (A -> B throws E) -> list[A] -> list[B] throws E.

 > Yes, all well and good, but I *do not* want have to go and change all
 > .mli files to support checked exceptions, and then go and change them
 > all again when I decide to put a SQL database behind some persistence
 > library deep in the code.

for a start, the universal quantification above (for a map function)
deals with this just fine. it can handle whatevery you throw.

i do think however, that there is a problem with declaring the
exceptions a function can throw. i think what the type should really
declare is something like the exceptions the synax of the function body
*adds*. eg a function

     let f n =
	let g = send_to_network n in
	let h = write_do_DB g in
	if n > 17 then throw Micky_Mouse
	else 666

should be typable as

     f : nat -> nat adds Micky_Mouse

and not *just* as

     f : nat -> nat throws E, Micky_Mouse

where E is whatever send_to_network and write_to_DB throw.

one compromise may be to add an explicit exception spec grabbing
operator so we can write

    f : nat -> nat throws ex(send_to_network), ex(write_to_DB),  Micky_Mouse

or

    f : nat -> nat adds ex(send_to_network), ex(write_to_DB),  Micky_Mouse

where in the latter case ex( f ) gives all the exceptions f adds while
in the former case it returns all exceptions f throws.

note that at link time, when we put all modules together, the accumulated
"adds" information determines the usual "throws" information. of course
"adds" and "throws" can live harmoniously together.

 > This is the problem with checked exceptions in Java: the set of
 > exceptions that can be thrown is an implementation detail which is
 > exposed unnecessarily through the API.

again, i don't think this is an implementation detail. if you are a
library vendor, i as a customer want to know if your library throws
SQL exceptions or not.

martin

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-11-19 18:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-13  0:50 Dustin Sallings
2003-11-13  1:18 ` David Fox
2003-11-13  4:09   ` Dustin Sallings
2003-11-14 13:42     ` Damien Doligez
2003-11-14 14:57       ` Christophe Raffalli
2003-11-14 20:24         ` Dmitry Bely
2003-11-14 20:54           ` Eric Dahlman
2003-11-14 22:21             ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-14 21:36               ` John J Lee
2003-11-14 21:48           ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-15  1:47             ` Dmitry Bely
2003-11-15  2:25           ` Max Kirillov
2003-11-15  2:49             ` Mike Furr
2003-11-16  4:09               ` [Caml-list] Bugs from ignoring errors from close (was Re: GC and file..) Tim Freeman
2003-11-15  2:58             ` [Caml-list] GC and file descriptors David Brown
2003-11-17 14:19         ` Damien Doligez
2003-11-17 18:18           ` skaller
2003-11-14 18:35       ` Dustin Sallings
2003-11-15 14:16         ` skaller
2003-11-15 15:56           ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2003-11-15 17:30             ` skaller
2003-11-15 20:31               ` Martin Berger
2003-11-16 19:19               ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-17 18:15                 ` skaller
2003-11-17 19:26                   ` Aleksey Nogin
2003-11-18 13:49                     ` skaller
2003-11-18 17:51                       ` Dustin Sallings
2003-11-18 20:17                       ` Aleksey Nogin
2003-11-20  7:36                         ` Florian Hars
2003-11-17 21:20                   ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-17 23:02                     ` John J Lee
2003-11-18 12:05                     ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2003-11-18 15:19                       ` skaller
2003-11-18 18:10                         ` John J Lee
2003-11-18 17:55                           ` skaller
2003-11-18 20:02                         ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2003-11-18 21:20                           ` John J Lee
2003-11-19 12:25                           ` skaller
2003-11-19 13:55                             ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2003-11-19 14:26                               ` Samuel Lacas
2003-11-19 14:47                               ` skaller
2003-11-18 15:28                       ` skaller
2003-11-18 18:00                       ` John J Lee
2003-11-18 22:28                       ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-18 23:07                         ` John J Lee
2003-11-18 23:22                         ` Benjamin Geer
2003-11-19  1:49                         ` Martin Berger
2003-11-19  3:57                           ` Dustin Sallings
2003-11-19 13:35                           ` skaller
2003-11-19 13:00                         ` skaller
2003-11-19 13:02                         ` skaller
2003-11-19 17:36                           ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-20  5:14                             ` skaller
2003-11-20  7:37                               ` David Brown
2003-11-18 15:12                     ` skaller
2003-11-18 16:49                       ` Martin Berger
2003-11-18 17:46                         ` skaller
2003-11-19  1:33                           ` Martin Berger
2003-11-19  3:19                             ` Design by Contract, was " Brian Hurt
2003-11-19  2:57                               ` Jacques Carette
2003-11-19 13:27                             ` skaller
2003-11-19 14:41                               ` Martin Berger
2003-11-19 16:54                             ` Richard Jones
2003-11-19 17:18                               ` Damien Doligez
2003-11-19 21:45                                 ` Richard Jones
2003-11-19 23:09                                   ` Benjamin Geer
2003-11-20  0:50                                     ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-11-20  9:42                                       ` Benjamin Geer
2003-11-19 18:03                               ` Martin Berger [this message]
2003-11-18 18:26                         ` Benjamin Geer
2003-11-18 19:24                           ` Xavier Leroy
2003-11-18 23:49                             ` Benjamin Geer
2003-11-19  1:36                             ` Martin Berger
2003-11-19  2:28                               ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-11-19  3:26                               ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-19 11:44                                 ` Martin Berger
2003-11-19 17:29                                   ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-20  5:17                                     ` skaller
2003-11-20 16:13                                       ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-19 13:33                               ` skaller
2003-11-19 17:01                                 ` Richard Jones
2003-11-22  2:39                                   ` [Caml-list] AutoMLI (Was: GC and file descriptors) Jim
2003-11-19 17:43                                 ` [Caml-list] GC and file descriptors Brian Hurt
2003-11-20  5:05                                   ` skaller
2003-11-19  1:33                           ` Martin Berger
2003-11-19  2:47                             ` Benjamin Geer
2003-11-18 22:23                       ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-19 13:00                         ` skaller
2003-11-17 22:37                   ` OCaml popularity [was: Re: [Caml-list] GC and file...] John J Lee
2003-11-18  1:02                   ` [Caml-list] Re: GC and file descriptors Jed Davis
2003-11-13  1:19 ` [Caml-list] " Nicolas George
     [not found] ` <87smkstkhg.fsf@igloo.phubuh.org>
     [not found]   ` <347A7A46-1612-11D8-8F93-000393CFE6B8@spy.net>
2003-11-13 20:18     ` Mikael Brockman
     [not found] <20031118232227.GA8437@swordfish>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311182039440.5009-100000@localhost.localdomain>
2003-11-20  6:35   ` Matt Gushee
2003-11-21 16:44     ` skaller
2003-11-21 22:17 Gregory Morrisett

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