Ocamlbuild question

Ocamlbuild question

[Matthieu Dubuget]

Hello,

I'm trying to manage "internal" camlfind packages. I use "internal" with
the same meanning than in ocamlbuild documentation when speaking about
libraries.

I want my camlfind packages to be re-installed if one of their
dependency was modified. For this, I wrote a simple rule, based on
%.iocamlfind files containing the files to install into findlib
directory. This rule also produces a stamp file : %.oocamlfind.

I also want my camlfind package to be installed if they are needed by
another rule. For this, I do: dep ["pkg_"^nm][nm ^ ".oocamlfind"] for
each internal package.

It seems to work ok: Suppose that package toto requires package tutu.
When I ask ocamlbuild toto.oocamlfind, the packages tutu is re-built if
needed. And if I modify one file of tutu, and then ask ocamlbuild to
generate toto.oocamlbuild, tutu is re-built and installed into findlib
directories. fine.

BUT, when I'm producing a %.native from %.cmx, my dependencies (ie
%.oocamlfind files) are inserted in the command line...

Here is an example:
ocamlfind ocamlopt -linkpkg -package mtsvrac -package log
logtest/test.cmx mtsvrac.oocamlfind log.oocamlfind -o logtest/test.native

mtsvrac.oocamlfind and log.oocamlfind where added to the dependencies of
logtest/test.native.

What would be the right solution to avoid this problem?
Is there something like a "dependency that should not be linked?"

Thanks

Salutations

Matt

Re: [Caml-list] Ocamlbuild question

[Nicolas Pouillard]

Excerpts from Matthieu Dubuget's message of Wed Feb 11 23:26:43 +0100 2009:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm trying to manage "internal" camlfind packages. I use "internal" with
> the same meanning than in ocamlbuild documentation when speaking about
> libraries.
> 
> I want my camlfind packages to be re-installed if one of their
> dependency was modified. For this, I wrote a simple rule, based on
> %.iocamlfind files containing the files to install into findlib
> directory. This rule also produces a stamp file : %.oocamlfind.
> 
> I also want my camlfind package to be installed if they are needed by
> another rule. For this, I do: dep ["pkg_"^nm][nm ^ ".oocamlfind"] for
> each internal package.
> 
> It seems to work ok: Suppose that package toto requires package tutu.
> When I ask ocamlbuild toto.oocamlfind, the packages tutu is re-built if
> needed. And if I modify one file of tutu, and then ask ocamlbuild to
> generate toto.oocamlbuild, tutu is re-built and installed into findlib
> directories. fine.
> 
> BUT, when I'm producing a %.native from %.cmx, my dependencies (ie
> %.oocamlfind files) are inserted in the command line...
> 
> Here is an example:
> ocamlfind ocamlopt -linkpkg -package mtsvrac -package log
> logtest/test.cmx mtsvrac.oocamlfind log.oocamlfind -o logtest/test.native
> 
> mtsvrac.oocamlfind and log.oocamlfind where added to the dependencies of
> logtest/test.native.
> 
> What would be the right solution to avoid this problem?
> Is there something like a "dependency that should not be linked?"

Hello,

You should try to tag your .oocamlfind file with the dont_link_with tag.

(this point certainly needs an entry in the FAQ...)

Best regards,

-- 
Nicolas Pouillard

Re: [Caml-list] Ocamlbuild question

[Matthieu Dubuget]

Nicolas Pouillard a écrit :
> Excerpts from Matthieu Dubuget's message of Wed Feb 11 23:26:43 +0100 2009:
>   
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm trying to manage "internal" camlfind packages. I use "internal" with
>> the same meanning than in ocamlbuild documentation when speaking about
>> libraries.
>>
>> I want my camlfind packages to be re-installed if one of their
>> dependency was modified. For this, I wrote a simple rule, based on
>> %.iocamlfind files containing the files to install into findlib
>> directory. This rule also produces a stamp file : %.oocamlfind.
>>
>> I also want my camlfind package to be installed if they are needed by
>> another rule. For this, I do: dep ["pkg_"^nm][nm ^ ".oocamlfind"] for
>> each internal package.
>>
>> It seems to work ok: Suppose that package toto requires package tutu.
>> When I ask ocamlbuild toto.oocamlfind, the packages tutu is re-built if
>> needed. And if I modify one file of tutu, and then ask ocamlbuild to
>> generate toto.oocamlbuild, tutu is re-built and installed into findlib
>> directories. fine.
>>
>> BUT, when I'm producing a %.native from %.cmx, my dependencies (ie
>> %.oocamlfind files) are inserted in the command line...
>>
>> Here is an example:
>> ocamlfind ocamlopt -linkpkg -package mtsvrac -package log
>> logtest/test.cmx mtsvrac.oocamlfind log.oocamlfind -o logtest/test.native
>>
>> mtsvrac.oocamlfind and log.oocamlfind where added to the dependencies of
>> logtest/test.native.
>>
>> What would be the right solution to avoid this problem?
>> Is there something like a "dependency that should not be linked?"
>>     
>
> Hello,
>
> You should try to tag your .oocamlfind file with the dont_link_with tag.
>
> (this point certainly needs an entry in the FAQ...)
>
> Best regards,
>
>   

It seems not to work – at least with ocaml 3.10.2 from godi.

 I have:

>> ocamlbuild -show-tags mtsvrac.oocamlfind
>> Tags for "mtsvrac.oocamlfind":
>> {. dont_link_with, extension:oocamlfind, file:mtsvrac.oocamlfind, quiet,
>>   traverse .}
>> Finished, 0 targets (0 cached) in 00:00:00.

and still

>> ocamlopt.opt: don't know what to do with mtsvrac.oocamlfind.

I will check at home with 3.11

Thanks

Salutations

Matt

Re: [Caml-list] Ocamlbuild question

[Matthieu Dubuget]

Matthieu Dubuget a écrit :
> Nicolas Pouillard a écrit :
>> Excerpts from Matthieu Dubuget's message of Wed Feb 11 23:26:43 +0100 2009:
>>   
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I'm trying to manage "internal" camlfind packages. I use "internal" with
>>> the same meanning than in ocamlbuild documentation when speaking about
>>> libraries.
>>>
>>> I want my camlfind packages to be re-installed if one of their
>>> dependency was modified. For this, I wrote a simple rule, based on
>>> %.iocamlfind files containing the files to install into findlib
>>> directory. This rule also produces a stamp file : %.oocamlfind.
>>>
>>> I also want my camlfind package to be installed if they are needed by
>>> another rule. For this, I do: dep ["pkg_"^nm][nm ^ ".oocamlfind"] for
>>> each internal package.
>>>
>>> It seems to work ok: Suppose that package toto requires package tutu.
>>> When I ask ocamlbuild toto.oocamlfind, the packages tutu is re-built if
>>> needed. And if I modify one file of tutu, and then ask ocamlbuild to
>>> generate toto.oocamlbuild, tutu is re-built and installed into findlib
>>> directories. fine.
>>>
>>> BUT, when I'm producing a %.native from %.cmx, my dependencies (ie
>>> %.oocamlfind files) are inserted in the command line...
>>>
>>> Here is an example:
>>> ocamlfind ocamlopt -linkpkg -package mtsvrac -package log
>>> logtest/test.cmx mtsvrac.oocamlfind log.oocamlfind -o logtest/test.native
>>>
>>> mtsvrac.oocamlfind and log.oocamlfind where added to the dependencies of
>>> logtest/test.native.
>>>
>>> What would be the right solution to avoid this problem?
>>> Is there something like a "dependency that should not be linked?"
>>>     
>> Hello,
>>
>> You should try to tag your .oocamlfind file with the dont_link_with tag.
>>
>> (this point certainly needs an entry in the FAQ...)
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>   
> 
> It seems not to work – at least with ocaml 3.10.2 from godi.
> 
>  I have:
> 
>>> ocamlbuild -show-tags mtsvrac.oocamlfind
>>> Tags for "mtsvrac.oocamlfind":
>>> {. dont_link_with, extension:oocamlfind, file:mtsvrac.oocamlfind, quiet,
>>>   traverse .}
>>> Finished, 0 targets (0 cached) in 00:00:00.
> 
> and still
> 
>>> ocamlopt.opt: don't know what to do with mtsvrac.oocamlfind.
> 
> I will check at home with 3.11

Idem

> 
> Thanks
> 
> Salutations
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Caml-list] Ocamlbuild question

[Matthieu Dubuget]

Matthieu Dubuget a écrit :
> Matthieu Dubuget a écrit :
>   
>> Nicolas Pouillard a écrit :
>>     
>>> Excerpts from Matthieu Dubuget's message of Wed Feb 11 23:26:43 +0100 2009:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to manage "internal" camlfind packages. I use "internal" with
>>>> the same meanning than in ocamlbuild documentation when speaking about
>>>> libraries.
>>>>
>>>> I want my camlfind packages to be re-installed if one of their
>>>> dependency was modified. For this, I wrote a simple rule, based on
>>>> %.iocamlfind files containing the files to install into findlib
>>>> directory. This rule also produces a stamp file : %.oocamlfind.
>>>>
>>>> I also want my camlfind package to be installed if they are needed by
>>>> another rule. For this, I do: dep ["pkg_"^nm][nm ^ ".oocamlfind"] for
>>>> each internal package.
>>>>
>>>> It seems to work ok: Suppose that package toto requires package tutu.
>>>> When I ask ocamlbuild toto.oocamlfind, the packages tutu is re-built if
>>>> needed. And if I modify one file of tutu, and then ask ocamlbuild to
>>>> generate toto.oocamlbuild, tutu is re-built and installed into findlib
>>>> directories. fine.
>>>>
>>>> BUT, when I'm producing a %.native from %.cmx, my dependencies (ie
>>>> %.oocamlfind files) are inserted in the command line...
>>>>
>>>> Here is an example:
>>>> ocamlfind ocamlopt -linkpkg -package mtsvrac -package log
>>>> logtest/test.cmx mtsvrac.oocamlfind log.oocamlfind -o logtest/test.native
>>>>
>>>> mtsvrac.oocamlfind and log.oocamlfind where added to the dependencies of
>>>> logtest/test.native.
>>>>
>>>> What would be the right solution to avoid this problem?
>>>> Is there something like a "dependency that should not be linked?"
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> You should try to tag your .oocamlfind file with the dont_link_with tag.
>>>
>>> (this point certainly needs an entry in the FAQ...)
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> It seems not to work – at least with ocaml 3.10.2 from godi.
>>
>>  I have:
>>
>>     
>>>> ocamlbuild -show-tags mtsvrac.oocamlfind
>>>> Tags for "mtsvrac.oocamlfind":
>>>> {. dont_link_with, extension:oocamlfind, file:mtsvrac.oocamlfind, quiet,
>>>>   traverse .}
>>>> Finished, 0 targets (0 cached) in 00:00:00.
>>>>         
>> and still
>>
>>     
>>>> ocamlopt.opt: don't know what to do with mtsvrac.oocamlfind.
>>>>         
>> I will check at home with 3.11
>>     
>
> Idem
>   

Thanks to Nicolas: the solution was:
- tag .oocamlfind files with "dont_link_with"
- and add "dont_link_with" in left part of dep:

> dep ["pkg_"^nm;"dont_link_with"][nm ^ ".oocamlfind"] 

Matt

Re: [Caml-list] Ocamlbuild question

[Matthieu Dubuget]

Correction:

Matthieu Dubuget a écrit :
> Thanks to Nicolas: the solution was:
> - tag .oocamlfind files with "dont_link_with"

In fact, tagging .oocamlfind files is not needed.

The key point is to add "dont_link_with" when calling dep:
> - and add "dont_link_with" in left part of dep:
> 
>> dep ["pkg_"^nm;"dont_link_with"][nm ^ ".oocamlfind"] 
> 
> Matt

Re: [Caml-list] Ocamlbuild question

[Matthieu Dubuget]

Matthieu Dubuget a écrit :
> Correction:
>
> Matthieu Dubuget a écrit :
>   
>> Thanks to Nicolas: the solution was:
>> - tag .oocamlfind files with "dont_link_with"
>>     
>
> In fact, tagging .oocamlfind files is not needed.
>
> The key point is to add "dont_link_with" when calling dep:
>   
>>> dep ["pkg_"^nm;"dont_link_with"][nm ^ ".oocamlfind"] 
>>>       

And I also had to add this in _tags file of the project's root directory:
<**/*.{ml,mli}>: dont_link_with

Salutations

Matt

[Caml-list] Ocamlbuild question

[Matthieu Dubuget]

Hello,

I'm trying to build xml-light using ocamlbuild (don't ask me why, I do 
not know myself…)

The standard way for building xml-light.cma is working (with a patch 
stolen from debian package):

> wget http://tech.motion-twin.com/zip/xml-light-2.2.zip
> unzip xml-light-2.2.zip
> cd xml-light
> sed -i -e 's/.mly.ml:/%mli %ml: %mly/' Makefile
> make xml-light.cma


> ...
>
> ocamlyacc xml_parser.mly
> ocamlc xml.mli
> ocamlc dtd.mli
> ocamlc xml_parser.mli
> ocamlc -c xml_parser.ml
> ocamllex xml_lexer.mll
> 228 states, 1162 transitions, table size 6016 bytes
> ocamlc xml_lexer.mli
> ocamlc -c xml_lexer.ml
> ocamlc -c dtd.ml
> ocamlc xmlParser.mli
> ocamlc -c xmlParser.ml
> ocamlc -c xml.ml
> ocamlc -o xml-light.cma -a xml_parser.cmo xml_lexer.cmo dtd.cmo 
> xmlParser.cmo xml.cmo

Here is my try with ocamlbuild:

> wget http://tech.motion-twin.com/zip/xml-light-2.2.zip
> unzip xml-light-2.2.zip
> cd xml-light
> for d in Xml_parser Xml_lexer Dtd XmlParser Xml;
> do echo "$d" >> xml-light.mllib;
> done
> ocamlbuild xml-light.cma
> ls _build/*.cmo

> ...
>
> Circular dependencies: "dtd.cmo" already seen in
> [ "xml.cmo"; "dtd.cmo"; "xml_parser.cmo" ]
>
> Compilation unsuccessful after building 22 targets (0 cached) in 00:00:00.
> _build/dtd.cmo _build/xml.cmo _build/xml_lexer.cmo 
> _build/xml_parser.cmo _build/xmlParser.cmo

I would like to understand the origin of the problem?

Salutations

Matthieu

Re: [Caml-list] Ocamlbuild question

[Gabriel Scherer]

The problem is that xml-light has a weird module dependency graph.
xml.ml depends on Dtd, while dtd.ml and dtd.mli depend on Xml. I'm not
sure the way this is done, but I think it is very hackish. The way I
understand it (and I am probably wrong), xml.mli is first compiled as
an signature-alone module (without implementation; you may have .mli
without attached .ml), against which Dtd is compiled, then the xml.ml
file is compiled as a *different* Xml module (yes, this sounds crazy),
and it reuses the types from the xml.mli interface by casting them
using Obj.magic.

I don't know why this is done that way. I suppose this is some kind of
hack to have recursive modules without saying it. Anyway, it's much
too hackish for any reasonable dependency solver to understand. I
think keeping your old build script is probably the best solution
here. I don't know much about ocamlbuild plugin language, maybe it's
possible to override the default dependency solver completely to
provide your own build order (I know it's possible to change it by
adding constraints), but I don't think you would gain much by this
approach.



On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Matthieu Dubuget
<matthieu.dubuget@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to build xml-light using ocamlbuild (don't ask me why, I do not
> know myself…)
>
> The standard way for building xml-light.cma is working (with a patch stolen
> from debian package):
>
>> wget http://tech.motion-twin.com/zip/xml-light-2.2.zip
>> unzip xml-light-2.2.zip
>> cd xml-light
>> sed -i -e 's/.mly.ml:/%mli %ml: %mly/' Makefile
>> make xml-light.cma
>
>
>> ...
>>
>> ocamlyacc xml_parser.mly
>> ocamlc xml.mli
>> ocamlc dtd.mli
>> ocamlc xml_parser.mli
>> ocamlc -c xml_parser.ml
>> ocamllex xml_lexer.mll
>> 228 states, 1162 transitions, table size 6016 bytes
>> ocamlc xml_lexer.mli
>> ocamlc -c xml_lexer.ml
>> ocamlc -c dtd.ml
>> ocamlc xmlParser.mli
>> ocamlc -c xmlParser.ml
>> ocamlc -c xml.ml
>> ocamlc -o xml-light.cma -a xml_parser.cmo xml_lexer.cmo dtd.cmo
>> xmlParser.cmo xml.cmo
>
> Here is my try with ocamlbuild:
>
>> wget http://tech.motion-twin.com/zip/xml-light-2.2.zip
>> unzip xml-light-2.2.zip
>> cd xml-light
>> for d in Xml_parser Xml_lexer Dtd XmlParser Xml;
>> do echo "$d" >> xml-light.mllib;
>> done
>> ocamlbuild xml-light.cma
>> ls _build/*.cmo
>
>> ...
>>
>> Circular dependencies: "dtd.cmo" already seen in
>> [ "xml.cmo"; "dtd.cmo"; "xml_parser.cmo" ]
>>
>> Compilation unsuccessful after building 22 targets (0 cached) in 00:00:00.
>> _build/dtd.cmo _build/xml.cmo _build/xml_lexer.cmo _build/xml_parser.cmo
>> _build/xmlParser.cmo
>
> I would like to understand the origin of the problem?
>
> Salutations
>
> Matthieu
>
>
>
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