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From: Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons <Diego-Olivier.FERNANDEZ-PONS@cicrp.jussieu.fr>
To: "Yaron M. Minsky" <yminsky@CS.Cornell.EDU>
Cc: Caml List <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Two types of efficiency (Was Efficiency of 'a list)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 18:38:08 +0200 (DST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.44.0305051810200.1040524-100000@ibm1.cicrp.jussieu.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1052135863.2398.6046.camel@dragonfly.localdomain>

    Bonjour,

> You're kidding, right?  You're making a classic "best is enemy of
> the good" mistake here.  Yes, there are lots of implementations, and
> it's not clear which of them is absolutely optimal.  That doesn't
> mean ocaml shouldn't provide built-in support for one "good-enough"
> solution.  Such support doesn't preclude using whatever the optimal
> algorithm is for the situation.  But most of the time, it works
> fine, and having built in support improves the usability of the
> language greatly.

Having various algorithms/data structures improves the usability of
the language greatly, that is absolutely true.

But what you are describing is more the need of a 'large, standard and
uniform data structure library' than 'build-in' support.
- large, to handle all kind of situations
- standard, to insure compatibility
- uniform, to be able to switch easily between different
implementations

> I for one have never quite understood why the Set and Map modules
> only provide modular implementations, and why the API is relatively
> weak.

The Map and the Set modules of the standard library in Caml are a good
starting point : they may not be as complete as you would have liked,
of course but they will improve with time.

Keep in mind that designing a data structure library is a hard work :
Chris Okasaki, Ralf Hinze and a lot of others have failed ; Baire has
not even been released after 1 year of work, the geometric algorithms
in JDSL (Java data structures library) never arrived and after 2 years
the new version 2.1 does not provide any real improvment over 2.0.6,
etc.

The Caml standard library is in the 'not so bad' category

        Diego Olivier

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-05-05 16:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-02 19:27 [Caml-list] Efficiency of 'a list Eray Ozkural
2003-05-03  5:43 ` Mattias Waldau
2003-05-03  8:16   ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2003-05-03 14:12   ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2003-05-03 18:43     ` Mattias Waldau
2003-05-03 20:01       ` Eray Ozkural
2003-05-03 23:17       ` Eray Ozkural
2003-05-04  2:08       ` cashin
2003-05-04  4:08         ` alc
2003-05-04  5:32           ` Ed L Cashin
2003-05-04  6:46           ` [Caml-list] Two types of efficiency (Was Efficiency of 'a list) Mattias Waldau
2003-05-04  7:35             ` John Max Skaller
2003-05-04 11:52               ` Olivier Andrieu
2003-05-05 11:04                 ` John Max Skaller
2003-05-04 16:48               ` brogoff
2003-05-04  7:43             ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2003-05-04 12:50               ` Eray Ozkural
2003-05-04 12:48             ` Eray Ozkural
2003-05-05  7:31             ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2003-05-05 11:11               ` Mattias Waldau
2003-05-05 13:17                 ` John Max Skaller
2003-05-05 11:49               ` Eray Ozkural
2003-05-05 11:57               ` Yaron M. Minsky
2003-05-05 13:32                 ` John Max Skaller
2003-05-06  2:49                   ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-05-06 12:30                     ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2003-05-07  2:05                       ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-05-05 16:38                 ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons [this message]
2003-05-05 18:05                   ` Eray Ozkural
2003-05-06 13:28                     ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2003-05-13 11:35                   ` [Caml-list] Data Structure Libraries (was: Two types of efficiency) Oleg Trott
2003-05-04  7:55           ` [Caml-list] Efficiency of 'a list Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2003-05-04 10:56             ` Neel Krishnaswami
2003-05-04 12:56               ` Eray Ozkural
2003-05-04 13:35                 ` Falk Hueffner
2003-05-04 12:38           ` Eray Ozkural
2003-05-04  8:07         ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2003-05-04 15:54           ` Ed L Cashin
2003-05-05 23:52           ` Garry Hodgson
2003-05-03 20:03   ` Eray Ozkural
2003-05-03 21:13 ` Lauri Alanko
2003-05-03 22:03   ` Eray Ozkural

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