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From: John Baez <john.baez@ucr.edu>
Cc: Categories mailing list <categories@mq.edu.au>
Subject: Re: The game of the name: Standard constructions, triples, monads, fundamental constructions
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 22:14:18 +0000	[thread overview]
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Hi -

It is not very important, but I was amused to discover recently that Mac Lane's famous 1963 paper on monoidal categories, "Natural associativity and commutativity," does not mention "monoidal categories".   Instead he called them "bicategories"!

Later in this paper he writes

"Bicategories have been introduced independently by several authors.  They are in Bénabou [1], with a different but equivalent definition of "coherence," but without any finite list of conditions sufficient for the coherence."

This is not Bénabou's famous paper on bicategories: instead it's "Catégories avec multiplication", where Bénabou introduces a preliminary concept of monoidal category, which he called "catégorie avec multiplication".

Furthermore, it's now recognized that Bénabou's formulation of coherence for monoidal categories is not quite right.  Benabou's version is along the lines of "all diagrams formed by associators and unitors commute", and he does not state this in a way that rules out problematic cases caused by coincidental equations between objects.

It seems the history of mathematics is endlessly tricky.

Best,
John Baez




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Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-08 21:19 Michael Barr, Prof.
2023-11-09  4:26 ` Urs Schreiber
2023-11-09  5:39   ` JS Lemay
2023-11-09 11:47   ` Posina Venkata Rayudu
2023-11-09 19:31     ` JS Lemay
2023-11-09  6:03 ` Nathanael Arkor
2023-11-09  7:21   ` Patrik Eklund
2023-11-09  9:29   ` Johannes Huebschmann
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2023-11-10 13:16       ` Johannes Huebschmann
2023-11-09 20:03 ` Robert Pare
2023-11-09 20:37   ` JS Lemay
2023-11-09 21:08     ` Joyal, André
2023-11-12  9:49     ` Urs Schreiber
2023-11-12 12:13     ` Jirí Adámek
2023-11-13  2:58       ` Ross Street
2023-11-13 15:30         ` Michael Barr, Prof.
2023-11-13 20:28           ` Ross Street
2023-11-13 22:14             ` John Baez [this message]
2023-11-14  0:16               ` Ross Street
2023-11-14  0:46                 ` Richard Garner
2023-11-14 21:11                   ` Dusko Pavlovic
2023-11-15  3:09                     ` dawson
2023-11-13 20:57         ` JS Lemay

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