[Fwd: Fw: copyright etc]

[Fwd: Fw: copyright etc]

[jim stasheff]

From: "Ronnie Brown" <ronnie.profbrown@btinternet.com>
To: "jim stasheff" <jds@math.upenn.edu>
Subject: Fw: copyright etc
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 17:05:54 -0000
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Jim,=20

perhaps you should do it for the catlist as the bill is a USA congress =
issue.=20

But as the email below says, I am urging its discussion here in the THES =
and by CASE (Campaign for Science & Engineering); and Steve Harnard =
thinks the response to the proposal has been too shrill!=20

It is a good thing to stir things up!=20

Ronnie


----- Original Message -----=20
From: Stevan Harnad=20
To: Richard Poynder=20
Cc: Ronnie Brown ; Nick Hall=20
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: copyright etc




On 7-Mar-09, at 10:34 AM, Richard Poynder wrote:


  Hi Ronnie,

  I am copying in Stevan Harnad as he may know whether anyone at the =
THES is looking at this. =20

  In the meantime these two links may be of interest:

  =
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-lessig-and-michael-eisen/is-john-c=
onyers-shilling_b_171189.html

  =
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-conyers/a-reply-to-larry-lessig_b_1726=
42.html

  At least Larry Lessig appears to have stung Conyers into responding.


Hi Richard,


It would certainly be a good idea if THES did a critical article on the =
Conyers Bill's attempt to overturn the NIH self-archiving mandate.


But I think the letter you attached is a bit too shrill and not =
sufficiently well informed to hit the mark and help: "Any bets that the =
next step would be defunding arXiv?" The Conyers Bill is about not =
allowing NIH to require self-archiving. It has nothing to do with the =
spontaneous self-archiving that has been going on in Arxiv and elsewhere =
for nearly two decades.


Tim Farley's well-meaning piece in Discover Magazine's Bad Astronomy =
Blog is also too over the top to be taken seriously:


"Conyers wants science to be secret or you will pay." (Secret? Published =
journal articles, secret? Even if you have to pay to read them, what has =
that to do with being secret?)


"...pushing a bill through Congress that will literally ban the open =
access of these papers, forcing scientists to only publish in journals."


Ban open access? Forcing scientists to publish journal articles is =
journals?


This kind of scattershot rhetoric does not help any cause, only its =
detractors.


I've responded to both Larry Lessig's critique and John Conyer's reply, =
by the way.


Lawrence Lessig's Critique of the Conyers Bill (H.R. 201) to Overturn =
the NIH OA Mandate


Rep. John Conyers Explains his Bill H.R. 801 in the Huffington Post

Chrs, Stevan




  Cheers,


  Richard



  From: Ronnie Brown [mailto:ronnie.profbrown@btinternet.com]=20
  Sent: 07 March 2009 15:25
  To: richard.poynder@btinternet.com
  Cc: Nick Hall
  Subject: Re: copyright etc

  Hi Richard,

  Thanks.

  I just got the attached. It seems to need public discussion! E.g. in =
the THES? Can you initiate that?

  Are there any lengths to which these top publishers will not go to =
preserve their cosy domain, battening on the hard work of academics?

  Ronnie
  www.bangor.ac.uk/r.brown


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Richard Poynder
    To: 'Ronnie Brown'
    Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:15 PM
    Subject: RE: copyright etc

    Hi Ronnie,

    Thanks for these links. Yes, these are  the kind of issues that =
interest me. And I have done a series of interviews discussing these =
sort of topics.

    http://www.bloomsburyacademic.com/Poynder1.htm

    They recently started to hit the syllabus of some US library arts =
colleges e.g. Oberlin.

    http://www.steword.net/oberlin/soci220/syllabus.html

    Click on show details under "Intellectual Property & the Web of =
Human Creativity"

    Cheers,

    Richard


    From: Ronnie Brown [mailto:ronnie.profbrown@btinternet.com]=20
    Sent: 04 March 2009 20:32
    To: Richard Poynder
    Subject: copyright etc

    Richard,

    As a result of listening to Laurie Taylor this afternoon I came =
across the following and perhaps they are relevant to your concerns.


    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b46f5a58-aa2e-11db-83b0-0000779e2340.html

    http://www.thepublicdomain.org/

    http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/

    Best regards

    Ronnie