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From: Andre.Rodin@ens.fr
To: Colin McLarty <colin.mclarty@case.edu>, categories@mta.ca
Subject: Re: categorical foundations
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:42:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1N8la0-0006fA-DP@mailserv.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1N8dCH-00020T-Uv@mailserv.mta.ca>



>
> The basic notions are in fact not very articulate in themselves, and
> throughout the history of mathematics it has taken further ideas to
> articulate them.  Bill saw how to articulate these and many more,
> quite directly, in categorical terms not assuming any prior set
> theory.  That articulation works even if you do not take it as
> foundational.  But it gets a natural foundational character in the
> framework of the category of categories -- thus CCAF, the axiomatic
> theory of the category of categories as a foundation.
>

I agree with you about generalities concerning pre-formal and formal
concepts. A reason why I say CCAF is not a satisfactory categorical foundation
is different. ETC is the formal basis of CCAF and ETC relies on a pre-formal
notion of set or collection just like ZF or any other axiomatic theory built
with Hilbert-Tarski axiomatic method. Elements of a new properly categorical
method of theory-building are present in the "basic theory" (BC) that follows
ETC. (I mean, in particular, the "redefinition" of functor in BC as 2-->A, etc.
The standard definition of functor given earlier in ETC never reappears in BC.)
However in CCAF these new features are not yet developed into an autonomous
axiomatic method - or into a new way of formalisation of pre-formal concepts,
if you like. In my understanding, such a method should meake part of
categorical foundations deserving the name.  CCAF remains in this sense
eclectic, it is a half-way to categorical foundations.

best,
andrei






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  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-13  0:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-11 16:38 pragmatic foundation Colin McLarty
2009-11-12  8:25 ` Vaughan Pratt
2009-11-12 10:36 ` topos and magic Andre Joyal
2009-11-13 19:34   ` Vaughan Pratt
2009-11-12 15:59 ` Colin McLarty
2009-11-13  0:42   ` Andre.Rodin [this message]
2009-11-13  1:29 ` categorical foundations Colin McLarty
2009-11-13  9:24   ` Andre.Rodin
2009-11-13 17:49   ` infinity Andre Joyal
2009-11-13 13:24 ` categorical foundations Colin McLarty
2009-11-15 19:02   ` Andre.Rodin
2009-11-14 22:52 ` pragmatic foundation Eduardo J. Dubuc
2009-11-15 19:57   ` Zinovy Diskin
2009-11-15 20:44   ` Vaughan Pratt
2009-11-16  2:07     ` Eduardo J. Dubuc
2009-11-16 14:54 Re: categorical foundations Colin McLarty
2009-11-17  1:39 ` Charles Wells
2009-11-18 12:56 ` Andre.Rodin

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