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From: Zinovy Diskin <zdiskin@gmail.com>
To: Paul Taylor <pt09@paultaylor.eu>, categories list <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Re: A well kept secret
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:00:20 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1NJYEw-0007Kq-Qw@mailserv.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1NItZv-0002gC-WC@mailserv.mta.ca>

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Paul Taylor <pt09@paultaylor.eu> wrote:

> The fact is that category theory alienated the rest of the mathematical
> world.   Since the damage had been done in the 1970s, well before my
> time,
> I have never managed to work out how this happenned, or who was
> responsible.
>

Had it been really  *done*?  It may be just in "the nature of things"
when a community A provides abstract models for community B. Something
similar appears in relations between physicists and mathematicians, or
between physicists/computer scientists and engineers.

When a mathematician is building a math model for some physical
theory, his main driving force is a question "What do they *really*
do?"  As the work is progressing, the question develops into a thesis
"they don't actually understand what they do", and with this attitude,
the mathematician finally brings something structurally neat to
physicists. In a typical good case, the reaction would be like Manin
recently formulated in his interview "we always knew that but thank
you for attention". In a bad case, ... you know.

Isn't it similar to the math vs.category theory case?  For some people
structural clarity and elegance is a matter of life and death, for
others it's a dispensable luxury (it's a rephrasing of Edsger Dijkstra
if I remember right).

zd






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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-12-12 19:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-29 23:31 Dangerous knowledge Joyal, André
2009-11-30 16:51 ` Mike Stay
2009-11-30 23:37   ` Dana Scott
     [not found]     ` <B3C24EA955FF0C4EA14658997CD3E25E2159B5F8@CAHIER.gst.uqam.ca>
2009-12-02  4:03       ` Dangerous times Joyal, André
2009-12-01  1:40   ` Dangerous knowledge Alex Hoffnung
2009-12-01 14:26     ` jim stasheff
2009-12-01 14:30     ` Ronnie Brown
2009-12-01  2:32   ` jim stasheff
2009-12-01 15:13   ` Alex Hoffnung
2009-12-01 16:43   ` Robert Seely
2009-12-02  2:25     ` RE : categories: " Joyal, André
2009-12-02 17:27     ` Ronnie Brown
2009-12-01  3:59 ` Dangerous ignorance Joyal, André
2009-12-01 13:56 ` Dangerous knowledge Charles Wells
2009-12-02  2:16 ` John Baez
2009-12-06 18:46   ` Vaughan Pratt
2009-12-07  2:46     ` Joyal, André
2009-12-07 13:46     ` jim stasheff
2009-12-08 19:15       ` Vaughan Pratt
2009-12-07 14:13     ` A well kept secret Joyal, André
2009-12-08 17:31       ` Steve Vickers
2009-12-09 14:18         ` Charles Wells
2009-12-10 14:49       ` Paul Taylor
2009-12-11  1:44         ` Michael Barr
2009-12-12  0:13           ` jim stasheff
2009-12-13  3:17             ` Wojtowicz, Ralph
2009-12-13  7:01           ` Vaughan Pratt
2009-12-11  1:46         ` Tom Leinster
2009-12-11  6:51         ` Michael Fourman
2009-12-11  8:36         ` Greg Meredith
2009-12-12 19:00         ` Zinovy Diskin [this message]
     [not found]       ` <e3ef1bd7ee7e9e1e1ecdb201955e18f6@PaulTaylor.EU>
2009-12-10 15:51         ` RE : " Joyal, André
2009-12-13  3:30       ` Zinovy Diskin
2009-12-07 17:18     ` Dangerous knowledge Steve Vickers
2009-12-08  4:09   ` A well kept secret David Spivak
2009-12-12 15:57     ` jim stasheff
2009-12-08  5:23   ` Robert Seely
2009-12-09 16:12     ` Mehrnoosh Sadrzadeh
     [not found]   ` <7b998a320912090812x60551840r641fe9feb75efaee@mail.gmail.com>
2009-12-09 17:02     ` Robert Seely
2009-12-10 18:03   ` Dangerous_knowledge Joyal, André
2009-12-09  7:40 A well kept secret? Ronnie Brown
2009-12-14 18:41 ` Andrew Stacey
2009-12-15 20:14   ` A well kept secret Joyal, André
2009-12-13 21:46 categorical "varieties of algebras" (fwd) Michael Barr
2009-12-14 19:52 ` A well kept secret Dusko Pavlovic
2009-12-16 17:17 F William Lawvere
2009-12-22 16:39 Andree Ehresmann
2009-12-23 15:30 ` Andrew Stacey
2009-12-28 10:07   ` Reinhard Boerger

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