From: John Baez <john.c.baez@gmail.com>
To: categories <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Re: Quantum computation and categories
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:06:15 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1NRQbf-0004pV-MH@mailserv.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1NQVPC-0001FS-Jj@mailserv.mta.ca>
Happy New Year!
Peter wrote:
Consider the following two categories:
>
> (a) the category of finite dimensional complex vector spaces and linear
> maps, and (b) the category of finite dimensional Hilbert spaces and linear
> maps.
>
> Specifically, take Toby's proposal, and consider two different objects A,B
> of (b) such that both A and B are two-dimensional Hilbert spaces. Let u:A->B
> be some non-unitary isomorphism.
Using "u" to stand for a non-unitary morphism! Reminds me of the joke:
Teacher: Suppose p is a prime number...
Student: But what if it's not?
Teacher: Well then it wouldn't be called "p", now, would it!
> Then you can easily find an equivalence of categories which identifies both
> A and B with the two-dimensional vector space C^2, and which identifies u
> with the identity morphism on C^2. At this point, you have not equipped the
> category (a) with anything useful, because it does not induce a notion
> of unitary map on C^2.
>
Okay, that's a nice argument. I'm pretty sure Lurie gave me some similar
argument: take a dagger-category, try to transport the structure along an
equivalence of categories, and get something unacceptable.
So it seems that, to define the extra structure of Hilbert spaces (on top of
> vector spaces), one needs at least one "evil" concept, be it that of unitary
> maps or the dagger structure.
>
If this is really true (and I think it is), we're pushed towards Mark
Weber's idea: dagger-categories are not best thought of as categories but
rather something new, based on graphs-with-involution instead of graphs.
Best,
jb
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Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-12-30 14:52 Peter Selinger
2010-01-01 19:06 ` John Baez [this message]
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2010-01-04 0:38 John Baez
2010-01-04 5:02 ` Toby Bartels
2010-01-04 8:12 ` Vaughan Pratt
2010-01-01 4:44 Fred E.J. Linton
2009-12-28 0:30 John Baez
2009-12-29 6:03 ` Toby Bartels
[not found] ` <20091229060352.GA14681@ugcs.caltech.edu>
2009-12-29 7:30 ` John Baez
2009-12-29 14:33 ` Mark Weber
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