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From: Peter LeFanu Lumsdaine <p.l.lumsdaine@gmail.com>
To: Jiri Adamek <adamek@iti.cs.tu-bs.de>
Cc: Uwe Egbert Wolter <Uwe.Wolter@ii.uib.no>,
	Categories list <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Re: Category without objects
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 08:45:20 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1YTs8s-0005K9-1v@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1YTaen-0007eC-Py@mlist.mta.ca>

We actually had a post-seminar reference-hunt on this in Stockholm quite
recently, and found that the arrows-only definition goes right back to Mac
Lane 1948, “Groups, Categories, and Duality”:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1079106/pdf/pnas01707-0037.pdf

This cites two earlier papers only along with the definition (Mac Lane 1942
and Eilenberg–Mac Lane 1945 — the first two papers to mention categories,
right?), but both of those used the objects-and-arrows formulation.  So it
seems that the two-sorted formulation was considered right from the start,
and the arrows-only version either from the start or very soon afterwards.

Of course, the original question has already been well answered, but I
guess the extra history may be of interest to others as well.

Best,
–Peter.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:49 AM, Jiri Adamek <adamek@iti.cs.tu-bs.de> wrote:

> See Definition 3.8 in Herrlich & Strecker: Category
> Theory (42 years old...).
>
> Cheers
> Jiri
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> On Thu, 5 Mar 2015, Uwe Egbert Wolter wrote:
>
>  Some years ago (around 30?) I read a book where it was mentioned that
>> one could define categories without (explicit) objects in the sense that
>> objects are mimicked by identity morphisms. Unfortunately, I can not
>> reconstruct what book it was.
>>
>> I know how this works. I would, however, like to have a reference.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Uwe Wolter
>>

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-03-05 23:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-05 11:49 Uwe Egbert Wolter
2015-03-05 15:28 ` Andrew Pitts
2015-03-05 16:49 ` Jiri Adamek
2015-03-05 19:14   ` Eduardo J. Dubuc
2015-03-05 23:45   ` Peter LeFanu Lumsdaine [this message]
     [not found]   ` <CAAkwb-=thVBruC0prBLKOjPkhZaCjgA030vgfYw0de7c_MQm3w@mail.gmail.com>
2015-03-06 14:42     ` Uwe Egbert Wolter
2015-03-07 14:36       ` Ronnie Brown
2015-03-08 16:44         ` Eduardo J. Dubuc
2015-03-08 19:53         ` F. William Lawvere
     [not found]         ` <SNT153-W699E615B487A28AE1166E8C61A0@phx.gbl>
2015-03-08 22:51           ` Ronnie Brown
2015-03-11  4:20             ` Vaughan Pratt
2015-03-12  0:42               ` Tadeusz Litak
2015-03-15 15:34                 ` Eduardo J. Dubuc
2015-03-05 18:55 ` René Guitart

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