* On the Foundation of Computer Science
@ 2020-01-22 6:50 Patrik Eklund
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Dear All,
For quite a while I've been puzzled by some Turing constructions, and I
don't know if I am puzzled rightfully so, and therefore I would
appreciate comments, so that, if I am indeed wrongfully so, I could
happily sit down corrected.
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In his "Computability and ??-Definability", The Journal of Symbolic
Logic, Vol. 2, No. 4 (Dec., 1937), pp. 153-163,
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2268280?seq=1, Turing defines f using ??
(xi) on p. 161, and then says "it can easily be brought into ..."
involving
??y in ??y[i(x,y)=0]
My problem is understanding how Turing possibly uses a 'powertype' which
is, as far as I can see, not explicitly introduced in his machinery.
We clearly have
e : nat -> nat
and
i : nat x nat -> nat
as defined in footnote 8 on p. 161.
As far as I can see, ??y[i(x,y)=0], can be denoted as g(x) where
g : nat -> nat
so
g(_) = ??y[i(_,y)=0]
Whereas nat, as a type, is used within the system, the use of the
powertype Pnat is not similarly recognized. Indeed, the powertype
constructor P is not defined, and, as far as I can see, not even
considered to be defined.
Anyway, let me proceed by using that powertype, thereby, in this
posting, using the powertype constructor informally.
If
h(x) = {y | i(x,y) = 0}
we have
h : nat -> Pnat
Infimum, inf, of a set (of natural numbers) A, written inf A, means we
could write
inf : Pnat -> nat
This would mean that
g = inf o h
I'm not saying that Turing says he has
?? : Pnat -> nat
but ?? in his paper is used as kind of a "partial operator" from Pnat to
nat, whereas, in comparison, inf is a "total operator".
Turing's construction indeed does not explicitly recognize the use of
the powertype Pnat, and, in particular, does not explicitly recognize
that the informal symbol ?? is used like a "partial operator over a
non-recognized and undefined powertype".
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My general question is:
Is this a problem?
In Turing's paper it is taken to be OK to use g as an operator from nat
to nat, even if it is composed using bits and pieces that are "brought
in from the outside", like the powertype constructor P.
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My confusion may indeed come from my desire to understand the underlying
signatures, to understand syntax before semantics. The natural number
signature is in there, with the constant operator 0 : -> nat, and the
successor S : nat -> nat. And indeed, additionally, Turing seems to use
the powertype Pnat, and operators working over this powertype, but my
primitive question is then:
Where does P come from? Is there a signature where it resides?
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My question relates perhaps also more generally to foundations.
Best,
Patrik
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