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[thomas.paulsen]

'Interesting overview, but I have my doubts about its accuracy. Lisp
seems to have been too popular in the mid-1980s, and at the same time
he claims that Ada was the most popular language. Both seem highly
unlikely to me. '
fully agree. I never saw a lisp, ada job offer!
In the mid/late 1980s pascal and C were popular languages, whereas therestill were lots of cobol/fortran, mostly cobol, job offers.

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[paul.allan.palmer]

This is true but if you can run CPAN shell (I think it's called) it takes
care of this for you.

On Fri, Dec 27, 2019, 3:43 PM Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via COFF <
coff at minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:

> Thomas Paulsen <thomas.paulsen at firemail.de> writes:
>
> >> I work in Python for my day job.  Every day I use PyPi, the third-party
> >> package repository, and every time I do I miss CPAN.  Sure, there was a
> >> lot of crap in CPAN but the repository itself was well organized.
> > I agree. The perl package system is very good.
>
> The package system may have been good, but what I remember most clearly
> from working with it is how the dependencies would always get in each
> others' way.  "This package depends on version 0.0.3a of pl-foo, but
> also on this other package, which in turn depends on version 0.0.3b of
> pl-foo, and of course 0.0.3a and 0.0.3b have completely incompatible
> APIs, so you're screwed."
>
> That's probably the start of the path leading to Docker, right there.
>
> -tih
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[tih]

Thomas Paulsen <thomas.paulsen at firemail.de> writes:

>> I work in Python for my day job.  Every day I use PyPi, the third-party
>> package repository, and every time I do I miss CPAN.  Sure, there was a
>> lot of crap in CPAN but the repository itself was well organized.  
> I agree. The perl package system is very good.

The package system may have been good, but what I remember most clearly
from working with it is how the dependencies would always get in each
others' way.  "This package depends on version 0.0.3a of pl-foo, but
also on this other package, which in turn depends on version 0.0.3b of
pl-foo, and of course 0.0.3a and 0.0.3b have completely incompatible
APIs, so you're screwed."

That's probably the start of the path leading to Docker, right there.

-tih
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cpan. cpanic. cpandemonium.

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[thomas.paulsen]

> I work in Python for my day job.  Every day I use PyPi, the third-party
> package repository, and every time I do I miss CPAN.  Sure, there was a
> lot of crap in CPAN but the repository itself was well organized.  
I agree. The perl package system is very good. On the other hand the golang 
package system is very good too, and it was even better, when the compiler 
still was written in C;  thus much faster than today's written in go.

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[athornton]

I work in Python for my day job.  Every day I use PyPi, the third-party
package repository, and every time I do I miss CPAN.  Sure, there was a lot
of crap in CPAN but the repository itself was well organized.  And Python's
testing framework has finally gotten OK-ish, but Perl always had good test
facilities.

I quite like the idea of "what musician is your favorite programming
language?"  Perl is Captain Beefheart, maybe?  Weird, eclectic, brilliant,
frequently incomprehensible?  Java is definitely Coldplay: it's corporate
rock.  It's fine.  PHP is Nickelback.

Adam

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 4:15 PM Thomas Paulsen <thomas.paulsen at firemail.de>
wrote:

> On 12/23/2019 2:54 PM, Thomas Paulsen wrote:
> >> you are right. However take into consideration that py is very popular
> in Linux and certainly Freebsd too.
> >
> > So is Taylor Swift ;)
> OK, then py is the Taylor Swift of the programming languages. ;-)
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[thomas.paulsen]

On 12/23/2019 2:54 PM, Thomas Paulsen wrote:
>> you are right. However take into consideration that py is very popular
in Linux and certainly Freebsd too.
>
> So is Taylor Swift ;)
OK, then py is the Taylor Swift of the programming languages. ;-)

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[krewat]

On 12/23/2019 2:54 PM, Thomas Paulsen wrote:
>>> On 12/22/2019 4:36 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote:
>>> (I run screaming from Python and its silly indentation)
>> You and me, both, brother, you and me both ;)
> you are right. However take into consideration that py is very popular in Linux and certainly Freebsd too.
>
>

So is Taylor Swift ;)

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[thomas.paulsen]

>>On 12/22/2019 4:36 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> >(I run screaming from Python and its silly indentation)
>You and me, both, brother, you and me both ;)
you are right. However take into consideration that py is very popular in Linux and certainly Freebsd too.

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[krewat]

On 12/22/2019 4:36 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> (I run screaming from Python and its silly indentation)
You and me, both, brother, you and me both ;)

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[grog]

On Sunday, 22 December 2019 at 11:51:12 -0500, Arthur Krewat wrote:
> Define "popular" - what's actually in use, versus what people want to
> use. And job listings versus research. Both of those would lead to
> different results ;)

At the very least, I would expect the language to exist.

I didn't mention job listings.

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[paul.allan.palmer]

I'd like to see your list.
I'm well over 20 but never listed them.


On Sun, Dec 22, 2019, 3:36 PM Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Dec 2019, Arthur Krewat wrote:
>
> > Define "popular" - what's actually in use, versus what people want to
> > use. And job listings versus research. Both of those would lead to
> > different results ;)
>
> I've been keeping a list of all the languages that I've ever used since I
> was a stripling; it's up to 48, and that's counting all assembly languages
> as one etc.  That's about one language for every year that I've been a
> programmer :-)
>
> Yes, I try and teach myself a new language whenever possible; I'm
> currently looking at Ruby as a lightweight replacement for Perl (I run
> screaming from Python and its silly indentation), and Perl/Tk for a GUI
> for some scripts that I wrote (mostly puzzle solvers).
>
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[dave]

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019, Arthur Krewat wrote:

> Define "popular" - what's actually in use, versus what people want to 
> use. And job listings versus research. Both of those would lead to 
> different results ;)

I've been keeping a list of all the languages that I've ever used since I 
was a stripling; it's up to 48, and that's counting all assembly languages 
as one etc.  That's about one language for every year that I've been a
programmer :-)

Yes, I try and teach myself a new language whenever possible; I'm 
currently looking at Ruby as a lightweight replacement for Perl (I run 
screaming from Python and its silly indentation), and Perl/Tk for a GUI 
for some scripts that I wrote (mostly puzzle solvers).

-- Dave

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[krewat]

Define "popular" - what's actually in use, versus what people want to 
use. And job listings versus research. Both of those would lead to 
different results ;)




On 12/21/2019 5:22 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
> On Monday, 16 December 2019 at 11:33:32 +1000, Robert Brockway wrote:
>> The author seems to have taken some care to get decent data sources.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og847HVwRSI
> Interesting overview, but I have my doubts about its accuracy.  Lisp
> seems to have been too popular in the mid-1980s, and at the same time
> he claims that Ada was the most popular language.  Both seem highly
> unlikely to me.  And then JavaScript got off to a flying start: over
> 4% in Q2 1995, quite an impressive for a language that was introduced
> in Q3 1995.  So without much more proof I'd take it with a pinch of
> salt.
>
> Greg
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[cym224]

On 12/21/19 17:22, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote (in part):
> On Monday, 16 December 2019 at 11:33:32 +1000, Robert Brockway wrote (in part):
>> The author seems to have taken some care to get decent data sources.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og847HVwRSI
> Interesting overview, but I have my doubts about its accuracy.
The author does not explicitly cite his sources.

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[grog]

On Monday, 16 December 2019 at 11:33:32 +1000, Robert Brockway wrote:
> The author seems to have taken some care to get decent data sources.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og847HVwRSI

Interesting overview, but I have my doubts about its accuracy.  Lisp
seems to have been too popular in the mid-1980s, and at the same time
he claims that Ada was the most popular language.  Both seem highly
unlikely to me.  And then JavaScript got off to a flying start: over
4% in Q2 1995, quite an impressive for a language that was introduced
in Q3 1995.  So without much more proof I'd take it with a pinch of
salt.

Greg
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[clemc]

Perl comes and goes - it there.   I was surprised to Kotlin but not Go.

On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 5:55 PM Paul Palmer <paul.allan.palmer at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Didn't see perl. My all-time favorite. And I've used most of the others.
>
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 7:41 PM Robert Brockway <robert at timetraveller.org>
> wrote:
>
>> The author seems to have taken some care to get decent data sources.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og847HVwRSI
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[paul.allan.palmer]

Didn't see perl. My all-time favorite. And I've used most of the others.

On Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 7:41 PM Robert Brockway <robert at timetraveller.org>
wrote:

> The author seems to have taken some care to get decent data sources.
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og847HVwRSI
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[robert]

The author seems to have taken some care to get decent data sources.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og847HVwRSI