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From: crossd at gmail.com (Dan Cross)
Subject: [COFF] Other OSes?
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 20:05:29 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEoi9W7TjytZEnEBZWRJdudRp1LS1nA462d=ohWenYAOJK6s=Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <B52001B7-82DC-4D33-B1AF-02482A6C04A4@bitblocks.com>

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:28 PM Bakul Shah <bakul at bitblocks.com> wrote:

> [...]
> I believe autocompletion has been available for 20+ years. IIRC, I
> switched to zsh in 1995 and it has had autocompletion then. But you
> do have to teach zsh/bash how to autocomplete for a given program.
>

csh has had filename auto-completion since the late 70s or early 80s,
though nowhere as rich or as full-featured as bash/zsh, let alone TOPS-20.

[...]
>
> This sort of magic incantation is needed because no one has bothered
> to create a simple library for autocompletion & no standard convention
> has sprung up that a program can use. It is not entirely trivial but
> not difficult either.


This. Much of the issue with Unix was convention, or rather, lack of a
consistent convention. Proponents of DEC operating systems that I've known
decry that Unix can't do stuff like, `RENAME *.FTN *.FOR`, because the
shell does wildcard expansion. Unix people I know will retort that that
behavior depends on programming against specific libraries. I think the big
difference is that the DEC systems really encouraged using those libraries
and made their use idiomatic and trivial; it was such a common convention
that NOT doing it that way was extraordinary. On the other hand, Unix never
mandated any specific way to do these things; as a result, everyone their
own thing. How many times have you looked at a Unix utility of, er, a
certain age, and seen `main()` start something like:

main(argc, argv)
        int argc;
        char *argv[];
{
        if (--argc > 0 && *argv[1] == '-') {
                argv++;
                while (*++*argv)
                switch (**argv) {
                case 'a':
                        /* etc.... */
                        continue;
                }
        }
        /* And so on.... */

I mean, goodness: we didn't even use getopt(3)! It was all hand-rolled! And
thus inconsistent.

Cisco's CLI is a great model for this. It would
> even prompt you with a help string for non-keyword args such as ip
> address or host! With Ciscso CLI ^D to list choices, ^I to try auto
> complete and ? to provide context sensitive help. It was even better
> in that you can get away with just typing a unique prefix. No need to
> hit <tab>. Very handy for interactive use.


This is unsurprising as the Cisco CLI is very clearly modeled after
TOPS-20/TENEX which did all of those things (much of which was in the CMND
JSYS after work transferred to DEC and TENEX became TOPS-20). It's
definitely one of the cooler features of twenex.

        - Dan C.
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-07-09  0:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-05  5:56 wkt
2018-07-05  6:29 ` spedraja
2018-07-05  6:40 ` bakul
2018-07-05 15:23   ` clemc
2018-07-05 20:49     ` scj
2018-07-05 21:25       ` david
2018-07-06 15:42         ` gtaylor
2018-07-05 22:38       ` ralph
2018-07-05 23:11       ` bakul
2018-07-06  0:06         ` lm
2018-07-06 15:49           ` gtaylor
2018-07-06  0:52       ` tytso
2018-07-06  5:59         ` ralph
2018-07-06 15:59           ` gtaylor
2018-07-06 16:10             ` ralph
2018-07-06 16:47               ` gtaylor
2018-07-06 15:57         ` gtaylor
2018-07-06 15:38       ` gtaylor
2018-07-09  1:56         ` tytso
2018-07-09  3:25           ` gtaylor
2018-07-09  3:35             ` crossd
2018-07-09  3:43               ` gtaylor
2018-07-09  3:52                 ` imp
2018-07-09 11:32                   ` perry
2018-07-09 11:50                     ` perry
2018-07-09 11:34                 ` crossd
2018-07-09  5:23             ` tytso
2018-07-09 12:52               ` clemc
2018-07-09 13:06                 ` [COFF] PiDP Obsolesces Guaranteed clemc
2018-07-09 14:39                 ` [COFF] Other OSes? tytso
2018-07-09 14:46                   ` clemc
2018-07-09 11:24           ` perry
2018-07-05 22:51   ` ewayte
2018-07-08 20:31   ` perry
2018-07-08 20:53     ` perry
2018-07-09  2:44     ` crossd
2018-07-10  5:30       ` bakul
2018-07-16 14:49         ` crossd
2018-07-16 16:59           ` [COFF] Capabilities (was " bakul
2018-07-06  0:55 ` [COFF] " crossd
2018-07-06  5:42   ` bakul
2018-07-09  2:51     ` crossd
2018-07-10  5:41       ` bakul
2018-07-06  4:04 ` grog
2018-07-06 16:10   ` gtaylor
2018-07-06 18:27     ` [COFF] Editor Scripts scj
2018-07-06 19:04       ` gtaylor
2018-07-08 20:50 ` [COFF] Other OSes? perry
2018-07-08 23:27   ` bakul
2018-07-09  0:00     ` grog
2018-07-09  0:13       ` perry
2018-07-09  0:05     ` crossd [this message]
2018-07-09  0:56       ` lm
2018-07-09  2:23         ` crossd
2018-07-09  0:11     ` perry
2018-07-09  0:19       ` crossd
2018-07-09  2:00         ` bakul
2018-07-09  3:02           ` [COFF] Origination of awful security design [COFF, COFF] bill
2018-07-09 13:10           ` [COFF] Other OSes? david
2018-07-09 13:17           ` perry
2018-07-09 13:13         ` perry

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