Need group parameter "from-list"

Need group parameter "from-list"

[Eze Ogwuma]

Hi,

Is there any way to set my "From" header depending on which group I'm
in? I was hoping for something like the group parameter "to-list".

Thanks.
-- 
Eze Ogwuma

Re: Need group parameter "from-list"

[Robert Bihlmeyer]

Hi,

>>>>> On 30 Jun 1998 05:14:14 +0100
>>>>> Eze Ogwuma <typhoon@dircon.co.uk> said:

 Eze> Is there any way to set my "From" header depending on which
 Eze> group I'm in?

How about setting a local `user-mail-address' in the group parameters?

Eliminating the "Sender:" will be left as an exercise to the reader.

	Robbe

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Re: Need group parameter "from-list"

[Eze Ogwuma]

Robert Bihlmeyer <e9426626@stud2.tuwien.ac.at> writes:

> Hi,
> 
> >>>>> On 30 Jun 1998 05:14:14 +0100
> >>>>> Eze Ogwuma <typhoon@dircon.co.uk> said:
> 
>  Eze> Is there any way to set my "From" header depending on which
>  Eze> group I'm in?
> 
> How about setting a local `user-mail-address' in the group parameters?

I've tried that but I just can't get it to work. I presume that if it
can be done I've got the format wrong.

If you know the correct format please let me know.

Thanks.
-- 
Eze Ogwuma

Re: Need group parameter "from-list"

[Robert Bihlmeyer]

>>>>> On 30 Jun 1998 12:33:24 +0100
>>>>> Eze Ogwuma <typhoon@dircon.co.uk> said:

 Eze> I've tried that but I just can't get it to work.

Yes, I too had to try a few times before succeeding. Group Parameters
are not intuitive IMHO.

 Eze> If you know the correct format please let me know.

Try the peculiar
 (user-mail-address
  '"foo@bar.com")

	Robbe

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Re: Need group parameter "from-list"

[Eze Ogwuma]

Robert Bihlmeyer <e9426626@stud2.tuwien.ac.at> writes:

> >>>>> On 30 Jun 1998 12:33:24 +0100
> >>>>> Eze Ogwuma <typhoon@dircon.co.uk> said:
> 
>  Eze> I've tried that but I just can't get it to work.
> 
> Yes, I too had to try a few times before succeeding. Group Parameters
> are not intuitive IMHO.
> 
>  Eze> If you know the correct format please let me know.
> 
> Try the peculiar
>  (user-mail-address
>   '"foo@bar.com")

Hello,

I tried it and it does nothing, just like all the others.

Thanks.
-- 
Eze Ogwuma

Re: Need group parameter "from-list"

[Karl Kleinpaste]

Robert Bihlmeyer <e9426626@stud2.tuwien.ac.at> writes:
>> Try the peculiar
>>  (user-mail-address
>>   '"foo@bar.com")

Eze Ogwuma <zcaceog@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
> I tried it and it does nothing, just like all the others.

I tried this, too.  Both adding an element via `G p' of
	(user-mail-address '"karl@justresearch.com")
or adding a SCORE entry
	(local (user-mail-address "karl@justresearch.com"))
cause a buffer-local instance of user-mail-address to be set to the
new string, which can be seen with `C-h v', but for some reason that
value does not propagate into the final message when sent.

Re: Need group parameter "from-list"

[Kai Grossjohann]

>>>>> Karl Kleinpaste <karl@jprc.com> writes:

  > [...] Both adding an element via `G p' [...]  or adding a SCORE
  > entry [...]  cause a buffer-local instance of user-mail-address to
  > be set to the new string, which can be seen with `C-h v', but for
  > some reason that value does not propagate into the final message
  > when sent.

Wasn't there this problem that buffer-local variables in the summary
buffer weren't propagated to the message buffers?  Isn't there an item
on Lars' todo list about this?  I don't remember...

kai
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Re: Need group parameter "from-list"

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@charly.cs.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

> Wasn't there this problem that buffer-local variables in the summary
> buffer weren't propagated to the message buffers? 

That's correct, but I don't know whether that's a problem, really... 

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Need group parameter "from-list"

[Kai Grossjohann]

>>>>> Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@charly.cs.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

  > Wasn't there this problem that buffer-local variables in the
  > summary buffer weren't propagated to the message buffers?

>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

  > That's correct, but I don't know whether that's a problem,
  > really...

Considering the high standard you've set yourself for Gnus, the
absence of a nifty feature could already be construed as a `problem'
:-)

But seriously, wouldn't it be nifty if one could set local variables
for the messages in the group parameters?  Like user-mail-address, or
message-signature-file, or the like.

kai
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Re: Need group parameter "from-list"

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@charly.cs.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

> But seriously, wouldn't it be nifty if one could set local variables
> for the messages in the group parameters?  Like user-mail-address, or
> message-signature-file, or the like.

Yup.  Fix in Gnus v5.6.24.

-- 
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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Need group parameter "from-list"

[SL Baur]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@charly.cs.uni-dortmund.de> writes:
>> But seriously, wouldn't it be nifty if one could set local variables
>> for the messages in the group parameters?  Like user-mail-address, or
>> message-signature-file, or the like.

> Yup.  Fix in Gnus v5.6.24.

Cool!  This would be great.  I've needed it for a long time.

Re: Need group parameter "from-list"

[Edward J. Sabol]

Excerpts from mail: (01-Jul-98) Re: Need group parameter "from-list" by Kai Grossjohann
> But seriously, wouldn't it be nifty if one could set local variables
> for the messages in the group parameters?  Like user-mail-address, or
> message-signature-file, or the like.

I think we would all be better served by re-implementing
`gnus-posting-styles' if those are the variables that you want to change. The
last time this was discussed on the mailing list, Lars was planning on
implementing a `posting-style' group parameter as part of that
implementation.

Later,
Ed

Re: Need group parameter "from-list"

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

"Edward J. Sabol" <sabol@alderaan.gsfc.nasa.gov> writes:

> I think we would all be better served by re-implementing
> `gnus-posting-styles' if those are the variables that you want to
> change.

Yup; I think so, too.

> The last time this was discussed on the mailing list, Lars was
> planning on implementing a `posting-style' group parameter as part
> of that implementation.

Yes, that might be nice.

Well, posting styles should be trivial to implement -- one just sets a
bunch of local variables in the message buffer.  Voilà!

In fact, I think I'll just add that right away.  Look for in in Gnus
v5.6.24.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Need group parameter "from-list"

[Jari Aalto+list.ding]

| 1998-06-30 Eze Ogwuma <typhoon@dircon.co.uk> list.ding
| Hi,
| 
| Is there any way to set my "From" header depending on which group I'm
| in? I was hoping for something like the group parameter "to-list".

I do exactly the same, I use sophisticated 'From' field generator, 
which generates appropriate user-mail-address and 
RCF comment, which, when returned, traps my procmail recipes 
like sendmail plus addressing would. 

Basicly you want 

    (gnus-group-get-parameter gnus-newsgroup-name 'to-list)

In function hooked to message-mode-hook or message-header-setup-hook

jari

Re: Need group parameter "from-list"

[Edward J. Sabol]

Excerpts from mail: (30-Jun-98) Need group parameter "from-list" by Eze Ogwuma
> Is there any way to set my "From" header depending on which group I'm
> in? I was hoping for something like the group parameter "to-list".

This sounds like a job for `gnus-posting-styles'. Too bad it still hasn't
been re-implemented. :-(

Re: Need group parameter "from-list"

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Anders Melchiorsen <postmaster@and.nospam.kampsax.k-net.dk>:

> Eze Ogwuma <typhoon@dircon.co.uk> writes:
>> Is there any way to set my "From" header depending on which group I'm
>> in? I was hoping for something like the group parameter "to-list".

> I recently started using this, which seems to work. I believe I got it 
> from the FAQ, actually.


> ; Set spam-resistent address ininternational newsgroups
> (defun my-address ()
>   "Selects an e-mail address based on what newsgroup we are in"
>   (setq user-mail-address
>     (cond ((string-match "^nnml:mail\\|k-net" gnus-newsgroup-name)
> 	   "my@real.address")
> 	  (t
> 	   "postmaster@and.nospam.kampsax.k-net.dk"))))

> (add-hook 'gnus-summary-mode-hook 'my-address)

I'm doing something way more complicated.  The reason for this was to
allow me to cancel and supersede in groups where I had another mail
identity.  Unfortunately, with Gnus 5.6.9, this doesn't work anymore,
and I haven't had the energy to look into why.  Add another sigh for
gnus-posting-styles... 

;=======================================================================
; Emulate "posting styles" by ugly hacks
;

; First a convenient regexp to identify all hobby news and mail groups
; thanx to Erik Naggum
(defvar mc-newsgroups
  (mapconcat #'identity
	     (list "nnml:mail\\.dod"
		   "nnml:mail\\.utdrikk"
		   "nnml:hobby\\.trip_report"
		   "nnml:mail\\.vfr"
		   "dod\..*"
		   "no\\.alt\\.motorsykler"
		   "alt\\.fan\\.ivan"
		   "\\(nordunet.\\)?rec\\.motorcycles"
		   )
	     "\\|"))

(defvar private-newsgroups
  (mapconcat #'identity
	     (list "nnm[hl]:\\(\\(other\\)?folk\\|hobby\\).*"
		   "nnml:mail\\.private"
		   "rec\\.aviation\\.military"
		   "alt\\.fan\\..*"
		   "no\\.film"
		   "NRK\\.generelt"
		   )
	     "\\|"))

(defvar hobby-newsgroups
      (mapconcat #'identity
		 (list mc-newsgroups
		       private-newsgroups
		       )
		 "\\|"))


;===========================
; Customize the user-mail-address on the basis of the mail or news group
; posted from
;
(defadvice message-user-mail-address (before generate-user-mail-address activate compile)
  "Change the value of the user mail address based on the group."
  (setq user-mail-address 
	(cond
	 ((stringp gnus-newsgroup-name) 
	  (cond
	   ((string-match mc-newsgroups gnus-newsgroup-name)
	    "sb@dod.no")
	   ((string-match private-newsgroups gnus-newsgroup-name)
	    "steinar@bang.priv.no")
	   (t "sb@metis.no")
	   ))
	 (t "sb@metis.no"))))

;===========================
; Customize the Organization, dependent on the news group posted from
;
(defun set-custom-organization (org-name)
  "Make the message-user-organization buffer local, and
set it to a custom value.

As a side effect, make the message-syntac checks variable
buffer local, and and set it to disable the Sender header
field"
  (progn
    (make-variable-buffer-local 'message-user-organization)
    (make-variable-buffer-local 'message-syntax-checks)

    (setq message-user-organization org-name)
    (setq message-syntax-checks (list '(sender . disabled)))
    ))

(defun custom-organization-and-sender ()
  "Set custom organization, and sender on some news groups"
  (cond
   ((stringp gnus-newsgroup-name)
    (cond
     ((string-match hobby-newsgroups gnus-newsgroup-name)
      (set-custom-organization "DoD, Norway Chapter"))
     ((string-match "no.test" gnus-newsgroup-name)
      (set-custom-organization "Testers Inc."))
     ))
   (t nil)))

(add-hook 'message-header-setup-hook 'custom-organization-and-sender)