* Re:
@ 2007-10-13 13:04 joe jethroh
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From: joe jethroh @ 2007-10-13 13:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding-account
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* Re:
@ 2003-02-28 9:30 wr
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From: wr @ 2003-02-28 9:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
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* Huge groups
@ 1998-01-20 4:01 Matt Simmons
1998-01-20 7:15 ` Jason L Tibbitts III
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From: Matt Simmons @ 1998-01-20 4:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
What are people doing with huge groups? Case in point: my xemacs-beta
(nnml)group, which is currently approaching 10,000 messages (it's at
9995 now), and has a ~2.8M .overview file. My poor P6-180 takes over
a minute just to open it[1], and about 10-15 seconds to append the
first message when inc'ing it's spool.
Matt
Footnotes:
[1] Solaris 2.5.1, XEmacs 20.3 MULE
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Well, not yet anyway. I mean, the bodies are still decomposing. --R.M.
Weiner
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* Re: Huge groups
1998-01-20 4:01 Huge groups Matt Simmons
@ 1998-01-20 7:15 ` Jason L Tibbitts III
1998-01-20 7:39 ` Steinar Bang
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From: Jason L Tibbitts III @ 1998-01-20 7:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
>>>>> "MS" == Matt Simmons <simmonmt@acm.org> writes:
MS> What are people doing with huge groups?
Note that the list archive has a 3.5MB overview file and has 15787 messages
in it (not including this one). I don't think anyone's foolish enough to
try and open it (C-u G A, I think) but if they did they'd be watching the
FTP clicker counting up for quite a while.
A long time ago we talked about a backend like nnml but with subdirectories
holding chunks of messages. It never got off the ground.
- J<
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* Re: Huge groups
1998-01-20 7:15 ` Jason L Tibbitts III
@ 1998-01-20 7:39 ` Steinar Bang
1998-01-20 9:29 ` Jason L Tibbitts III
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From: Steinar Bang @ 1998-01-20 7:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
>>>>> Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>:
>>>>> "MS" == Matt Simmons <simmonmt@acm.org> writes:
MS> What are people doing with huge groups?
> Note that the list archive has a 3.5MB overview file and has 15787 messages
> in it (not including this one). I don't think anyone's foolish enough to
> try and open it (C-u G A, I think) but if they did they'd be watching the
> FTP clicker counting up for quite a while.
> A long time ago we talked about a backend like nnml but with subdirectories
> holding chunks of messages. It never got off the ground.
A faster backend? Are there some formats that could be used? Isn't the
qmail native format supposed to be fast? (at least according to Dan
Bernstein...)
How about whatever the Cyrus IMAP server uses?
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* Re: Huge groups
1998-01-20 7:39 ` Steinar Bang
@ 1998-01-20 9:29 ` Jason L Tibbitts III
1998-01-21 14:32 ` Stefan Waldherr
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From: Jason L Tibbitts III @ 1998-01-20 9:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
>>>>> "SB" == Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no> writes:
SB> A faster backend? Are there some formats that could be used? Isn't the
SB> qmail native format supposed to be fast? (at least according to Dan
SB> Bernstein...)
Well, I think it would be hard to get much faster than nnml. You could
have something like nnfolder but keep an overview file that stores byte
offsets within the folder for each message, so it's one open and one seek
to grab a message. (I use this format in an archiver I'm working with.)
But the question here is how to handle tens of thousands of messages, when
even the overhead of loading the overview file is too much. The solution
is, of course, a database, but a simpler solution would be to just split
the messages up into smaller collections and optimize the common operations
to only deal with one piece of the collection.
I suppose this is easy enough to do manually in the cases where it is
really needed. The only place where it can't be done is with the list
archive (which is why I brought the idea up ages ago). The solution to
that was the ding-list-recent archive, accomplished through procmail
trickery.
- J<
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* Re: Huge groups
1998-01-20 9:29 ` Jason L Tibbitts III
@ 1998-01-21 14:32 ` Stefan Waldherr
1998-01-22 10:31 ` jari.aalto
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Waldherr @ 1998-01-21 14:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
>>>>> "Jason" == Jason L Tibbitts <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu> writes:
>>>>> "SB" == Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no> writes:
SB> A faster backend? Are there some formats that could be used? Isn't the
SB> qmail native format supposed to be fast? (at least according to Dan
SB> Bernstein...)
Jason> Well, I think it would be hard to get much faster than nnml. You
Jason> could have something like nnfolder but keep an overview file that
I think that nnml is pretty darn slow wrt speed. Selecting a group with, say,
800 articles takes 11s on my machines. This is XEmacs, not Emacs (it seems to
be a little faster under Emacs). Exmh on the other hand, which I used
previously, takes for the same group far less than 5s. I would really like to
find out if other people have equivalent times ...
cu
Stefan.
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* Re:
1998-01-21 14:32 ` Stefan Waldherr
@ 1998-01-22 10:31 ` jari.aalto
1998-02-08 15:22 ` Re: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: jari.aalto @ 1998-01-22 10:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
98-01-21 Stefan Waldherr <swa@cs.cmu.edu> list.ding
| >>>>> "Jason" == Jason L Tibbitts <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu> writes:
| I think that nnml is pretty darn slow wrt speed. Selecting a group with, say,
| 800 articles takes 11s on my machines. This is XEmacs
I was also wondering if gnus could keep the most read mail group summaries
in the emacs and not build them from scratch when I change mail groups.
I use non-compiled version and it takes 10-25 seconds to view mail group
of 600+ messages.
I'm not complain about the speed, because I use uncompiled lisp on purpose.
I was just wondering if there would be ways to "cache" summary threads.
I don't know how they are implemented, so it could be very well
impossible to change the existing summary creation code.
jari
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* Re:
[not found] <199612211342.GAA08814@acca.nmsu.edu>
@ 1996-12-21 19:18 ` Yo momma! (not mine)
1996-12-21 22:05 ` Re: Yo momma! (not mine)
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Yo momma! (not mine) @ 1996-12-21 19:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
That's interesting, I've never seen anything like that before. I bet
Gnus is the cluprit... I'll cc their list too.
-lars
"Karl F. Larsen" <k5di@acca.nmsu.edu> writes:
>
> At 04:50 PM 12/20/96 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> >test
> Lars there was some strange stuff on your submission to the sig, a
> copy enclosed.
>
> Return-Path: <owner-linux-hams-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu>
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 16:50:34 -0700
> Illegal-Object: Syntax error in From: address found on vger.rutgers.edu:
> From: Yo momma! (not mine) <lars@lightcom.net>
> ^ ^-illegal special character in phrase
> \-extraneous tokens in mailbox
> From: <lars@lightcom.net>
> To: linux-hams@vger.rutgers.edu
> Sender: owner-linux-hams@vger.rutgers.edu
>
>
> test
> 73, de Karl aka k5di
>
> Karl F. Larsen Box 74, Mesilla Park, NM 88047 (505) 524-3303
> k5di@k5di.cruces.nm.usa.noam k5di@acca.nmsu.edu k5di@juno.com
>
>
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