* gnus-no-server still generates 400+ lines of messages for me
@ 2000-05-14 16:33 Randal L. Schwartz
2000-05-14 18:19 ` Harry Putnam
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Randal L. Schwartz @ 2000-05-14 16:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
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gnus-no-server is still mostly useless for us procmail-style
splitters. Here's what I get if I dare to invoke it. Keep in mind
that I have only 42 (mostly) empty files in my .incoming directory,
just for the spools that have been active recently. So I'm getting
one message per nnml: group, not one message per .spool file.
Reading /home/merlyn/.newsrc.eld...
Checking new news...
Opening nnml server...
nnml: Reading incoming mail from directory...
nnml: Reading incoming mail (no new mail)...done
nnml: Reading incoming mail from directory...
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* Re: gnus-no-server still generates 400+ lines of messages for me
2000-05-14 16:33 gnus-no-server still generates 400+ lines of messages for me Randal L. Schwartz
@ 2000-05-14 18:19 ` Harry Putnam
2000-05-14 19:18 ` Kai Großjohann
2000-05-14 20:42 ` Shenghuo ZHU
0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Harry Putnam @ 2000-05-14 18:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
> Gnus v5.8.5
> GNU Emacs 20.3.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit)
> of Thu Dec 17 1998 on halfdome.holdit.com
> 200 Powered by Twister -- http://www.bcandid.com/ (Twister v1.2.0)
>
> gnus-no-server is still mostly useless for us procmail-style
> splitters. Here's what I get if I dare to invoke it. Keep in mind
> that I have only 42 (mostly) empty files in my .incoming directory,
> just for the spools that have been active recently. So I'm getting
> one message per nnml: group, not one message per .spool file.
>
> Reading /home/merlyn/.newsrc.eld...
> Checking new news...
> Opening nnml server...
>
> nnml: Reading incoming mail from directory...
Wheee... I guess you couldn't have just said:
nnml: Reading incoming mail from directory...
repeated 400+ times.
I see a similar thing here, though not running `gnus-no-server'. I
see it when plugged or unplugged when ever I call "g" or do a batch
fetch.
I only see 142 lines from 2 of my 3 nnml servers. The total number of
groups is only 72 or so. I wondered what was causing this too and
posted about it here about a year ago. Never did get any comments or
answers. Maybe because I've worn people out with an unending stream of
"dumb" questions.
I also use procmail to split some things but only 12 spools or so are fed
to gnus.
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* Re: gnus-no-server still generates 400+ lines of messages for me
2000-05-14 18:19 ` Harry Putnam
@ 2000-05-14 19:18 ` Kai Großjohann
2000-05-14 20:50 ` Shenghuo ZHU
2000-05-14 20:42 ` Shenghuo ZHU
1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Kai Großjohann @ 2000-05-14 19:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
FWIW, I'm seeing something similar. Splitting and updating groups
doesn't work as well for M-x gnus-no-server RET as for normal Gnus
use. But I use nnimap, where the problem isn't just the number of
messages, it's the time it takes. With M-x gnus-no-server RET, it
takes 1 sec per IMAP group.
I think Gnus is in effect doing M-g on each group when called with
anything except its default level.
Since it takes so awfully long, I just use M-x gnus RET and wait
patiently for the gurus to fix it...
kai
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* Re: gnus-no-server still generates 400+ lines of messages for me
2000-05-14 18:19 ` Harry Putnam
2000-05-14 19:18 ` Kai Großjohann
@ 2000-05-14 20:42 ` Shenghuo ZHU
2000-05-14 20:59 ` Randal L. Schwartz
1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Shenghuo ZHU @ 2000-05-14 20:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
>>>>> "Harry" == Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> writes:
Harry> nnml: Reading incoming mail from directory...
Harry> repeated 400+ times.
Harry> I see a similar thing here, though not running `gnus-no-server'. I
Harry> see it when plugged or unplugged when ever I call "g" or do a batch
Harry> fetch.
Harry> I only see 142 lines from 2 of my 3 nnml servers. The total number of
Harry> groups is only 72 or so. I wondered what was causing this too and
Harry> posted about it here about a year ago. Never did get any comments or
Harry> answers. Maybe because I've worn people out with an unending stream of
Harry> "dumb" questions.
Harry> I also use procmail to split some things but only 12 spools or
Harry> so are fed to gnus.
I did a little hack on the directory mail source.
Check out the latest CVS version, you can set
(setq nnmail-scan-directory-mail-source-once t)
then the directory mail source will be scanned only once.
But the catch is that, whenever you press `g' or `M-g', ALL procmail
mail spool files will be scanned.
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Shenghuo
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* Re: gnus-no-server still generates 400+ lines of messages for me
2000-05-14 19:18 ` Kai Großjohann
@ 2000-05-14 20:50 ` Shenghuo ZHU
2000-05-15 10:07 ` Kai Großjohann
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Shenghuo ZHU @ 2000-05-14 20:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
>>>>> "KG" == Kai Großjohann <Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE> writes:
KG> FWIW, I'm seeing something similar. Splitting and updating groups
KG> doesn't work as well for M-x gnus-no-server RET as for normal Gnus
KG> use. But I use nnimap, where the problem isn't just the number of
KG> messages, it's the time it takes. With M-x gnus-no-server RET, it
KG> takes 1 sec per IMAP group.
KG> I think Gnus is in effect doing M-g on each group when called with
KG> anything except its default level.
KG> Since it takes so awfully long, I just use M-x gnus RET and wait
KG> patiently for the gurus to fix it...
gnus-no-server just means that gnus-select-method is down. A comment
reads, "The native server is down, so we just do the secondary ones."
So, Gnus still scan IMAP groups when gnus-no-server.
Shenghuo
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* Re: gnus-no-server still generates 400+ lines of messages for me
2000-05-14 20:42 ` Shenghuo ZHU
@ 2000-05-14 20:59 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2000-05-14 21:57 ` Shenghuo ZHU
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Randal L. Schwartz @ 2000-05-14 20:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
>>>>> "ZSH" == Shenghuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes:
ZSH> I did a little hack on the directory mail source.
ZSH> Check out the latest CVS version, you can set
ZSH> (setq nnmail-scan-directory-mail-source-once t)
ZSH> then the directory mail source will be scanned only once.
ZSH> But the catch is that, whenever you press `g' or `M-g', ALL procmail
ZSH> mail spool files will be scanned.
Is there *no* chance that it can return back to the qgnus behavior,
which seems a lot more right than the stuff we got stuck with in
pgnus?
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* Re: gnus-no-server still generates 400+ lines of messages for me
2000-05-14 20:59 ` Randal L. Schwartz
@ 2000-05-14 21:57 ` Shenghuo ZHU
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From: Shenghuo ZHU @ 2000-05-14 21:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz <merlyn@stonehenge.com> writes:
>>>>> "ZSH" == Shenghuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes:
ZSH> I did a little hack on the directory mail source.
ZSH> Check out the latest CVS version, you can set
ZSH> (setq nnmail-scan-directory-mail-source-once t)
ZSH> then the directory mail source will be scanned only once.
ZSH> But the catch is that, whenever you press `g' or `M-g', ALL procmail
ZSH> mail spool files will be scanned.
Randal> Is there *no* chance that it can return back to the qgnus behavior,
Randal> which seems a lot more right than the stuff we got stuck with in
Randal> pgnus?
It was a hack (since pgnus 0.74) to speed up by only fetching the
contents of a single group's spool file. If you set
nnmail-scan-directory-mail-source-once in 5.8.7 (or the latest CVS
version), the hack is disabled. I think it should return back to the
qgnus behavior.
--
Shenghuo
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* Re: gnus-no-server still generates 400+ lines of messages for me
2000-05-14 20:50 ` Shenghuo ZHU
@ 2000-05-15 10:07 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Kai Großjohann @ 2000-05-15 10:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Shenghuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes:
> gnus-no-server just means that gnus-select-method is down. A comment
> reads, "The native server is down, so we just do the secondary ones."
> So, Gnus still scan IMAP groups when gnus-no-server.
I think this is a misunderstanding. M-x gnus RET scans IMAP groups
fast, at maybe 10 groups per second. M-x gnus-no-server RET scans
IMAP groups slowly, at maybe 1 group per second.
WIBNI M-x gnus-no-server RET was fast, too? In fact, I propose that
the slowness be considered a bug.
I have a hunch that the slowness with IMAP has something to do with
the many fetches that Merlyn is obvserving from his `directory'
mail-source entry.
I hope this clears up the confusion.
kai
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