Re: How to strip names out of To: and CC:

Re: How to strip names out of To: and CC:

[jidanni]

Dear Gnus Pals: I have changed the function message-get-reply-headers.
I have put the new version, all 200+ lines of it, in my .gnus.el file.

;;jidanni changed
;;	       (cons (downcase (mail-strip-quoted-names addr)) addr))
;;to
	       (cons (downcase (mail-strip-quoted-names addr))
		     (downcase (mail-strip-quoted-names addr))))
;;to avoid looking like a fool, even more consistantly than
;;mail-extr-ignore-realname-equals-mailbox-name and
;;mail-extr-ignore-single-names could, before gnus ignored them anyway

Of course you, the authors, could kindly add one little variable, say
message-austere-to-cc-reply, to toggle so we can avoid having to
redefine the whole hundreds line function.

No, this one line change cannot be done with one line in some hook, so
forget that.

Re: How to strip names out of To: and CC:

[jidanni]

Indeed, here lies your opportunity to end the embarrassment of
To: "d@d.d" <d@d.d>
which many of you seem to think looks just fine in one's outbound mail.

By adding a variable (pointing to a function) at
(cons (downcase (mail-strip-quoted-names addr)) addr))
you could bring back the now lost functionality of
mail-extr-ignore-realname-equals-mailbox-name,
mail-extr-ignore-single-names,
and allow my style of strip everything except the raw@address.com too.

Re: How to strip names out of To: and CC:

[Reiner Steib]

On Fri, Nov 09 2007, jidanni@jidanni.org wrote:
> Dear Gnus Pals: I have changed the function message-get-reply-headers.
> I have put the new version, all 200+ lines of it, in my .gnus.el file.
>
> ;;jidanni changed
> ;;	       (cons (downcase (mail-strip-quoted-names addr)) addr))
> ;;to
> 	       (cons (downcase (mail-strip-quoted-names addr))
> 		     (downcase (mail-strip-quoted-names addr))))
> ;;to avoid looking like a fool, even more consistantly than
> ;;mail-extr-ignore-realname-equals-mailbox-name and
> ;;mail-extr-ignore-single-names could, before gnus ignored them anyway
>
> Of course you, the authors, could kindly add one little variable, say
> message-austere-to-cc-reply, to toggle so we can avoid having to
> redefine the whole hundreds line function.
>
> No, this one line change cannot be done with one line in some hook, so
> forget that.

On Fri, Nov 09 2007, jidanni@jidanni.org wrote:
> Indeed, here lies your opportunity to end the embarrassment of
> To: "d@d.d" <d@d.d>
> which many of you seem to think looks just fine in one's outbound mail.

Should be possible with the CVS version now:

2008-03-19  Reiner Steib  <Reiner.Steib@gmx.de>

	* message.el (message-alter-recipients-discard-bogus-full-name): New
	function.
	(message-alter-recipients-function): New variable.
	(message-get-reply-headers): Use it.

,----[ <f1> v message-alter-recipients-function RET ]
| message-alter-recipients-function is a variable defined in `message.el'.
| Its value is message-alter-recipients-discard-bogus-full-name
| 
| Documentation:
| Function called to allow alteration of reply header structures.
| It is called in `message-get-reply-headers' for each recipient.
| The function is called with one parameter, a cons cell ...
| 
| You can customize this variable.
`----

,----[ <f1> f message-alter-recipients-discard-bogus-full-name RET ]
| message-alter-recipients-discard-bogus-full-name is a Lisp function
| in `message.el'.
| (message-alter-recipients-discard-bogus-full-name addrcell)
| 
| Discard mail address in full names.
| When the full name in reply headers contains the mail
| address (e.g. "foo@bar <foo@bar>"), discard full name.
| addrcell is a cons cell where the car is the mail address and the
| cdr is the complete address (full name and mail address).
`----

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Re: How to strip names out of To: and CC:

[jidanni]

I assume you allow users to strip names unconditionally too.
I'll use Debian's flaky at(1) to make a note to find out when the time
comes and it reaches Debian sid. Thanks.
$ echo echo try http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/66532|
env - at now+6\ months
warning: commands will be executed using /bin/sh
job 771 at Sun Sep 21 11:10:00 2008
Can't signal atd (permission denied)

Re: How to strip names out of To: and CC:

[Reiner Steib]

On Fri, Mar 21 2008, jidanni@jidanni.org wrote:

> I assume you allow users to strip names unconditionally too.

Well, your case "foo@bar <foo@bar>" is covered by
`message-alter-recipients-discard-bogus-full-name'.  If you want more,
write your own variant based on it (should be very simple).

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Re: How to strip names out of To: and CC:

[jidanni]

message-simplify-recipients is an interactive compiled Lisp function
in `message.el'.

1. This function is apparently unused by any other code.

2. When I do M-x message-simplify-recipients, it does what I want.
However, when I put it into any hook, it causes an error that mentions
the "--text follows this line--" separator.

3. It seems to work on addresses, even if they don't match
message-recipients-without-full-name, which is fine with me though.

Re: How to strip names out of To: and CC:

[jidanni]

>>>>> "j" == jidanni  <jidanni@jidanni.org> writes:
j> message-simplify-recipients is an interactive compiled Lisp function
j> in `message.el'.

j> 1. This function is apparently unused by any other code.

j> 2. When I do M-x message-simplify-recipients, it does what I want.
j> However, when I put it into any hook, it causes an error that mentions
j> the "--text follows this line--" separator.

j> 3. It seems to work on addresses, even if they don't match
j> message-recipients-without-full-name, which is fine with me though.

Never mind, I'll just do
(defun jidanni-message-alter-recipients-discard-all-names (addrcell)
  "Discard all names in mail addresses, because it looks neater"
  (cons (car addrcell) (car addrcell)))

(setq message-alter-recipients-function 'jidanni-message-alter-recipients-discard-all-names)

P.S., hope this shows up in gmane.emacs.gnus.general...

Re: How to strip names out of To: and CC:

[Reiner Steib]

On Wed, Feb 03 2010, jidanni@jidanni.org wrote:

>>>>>> "j" == jidanni  <jidanni@jidanni.org> writes:
> j> message-simplify-recipients is an interactive compiled Lisp function
> j> in `message.el'.
>
> j> 1. This function is apparently unused by any other code.

So what?

> j> 2. When I do M-x message-simplify-recipients, it does what I want.
> j> However, when I put it into any hook, it causes an error that mentions
> j> the "--text follows this line--" separator.

Which hook?  You need to use a hook run in the message buffer.

> j> 3. It seems to work on addresses, even if they don't match
> j> message-recipients-without-full-name, which is fine with me though.

It shouldn't.  Please provide an example including the headers and
your value of `message-recipients-without-full-name'.

> Never mind, I'll just do
> (defun jidanni-message-alter-recipients-discard-all-names (addrcell)
>   "Discard all names in mail addresses, because it looks neater"
>   (cons (car addrcell) (car addrcell)))
>
> (setq message-alter-recipients-function 'jidanni-message-alter-recipients-discard-all-names)
>
> P.S., hope this shows up in gmane.emacs.gnus.general...

Both articles did.  BTW, please don't Cc me.

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Re: How to strip names out of To: and CC:

[jidanni]

>> hope this shows up in gmane.emacs.gnus.general...
RS> Both articles did.
I see. Since I was replying to a old thread, it didn't show up in
http://news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general
http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general
however, one sees it in
http://rss.gmane.org/messages/excerpts/gmane.emacs.gnus.general
etc.

Re: How to strip names out of To: and CC:

[jidanni]

Oops, I meant

message-send-mail-hook is too late. Use message-header-setup-hook, or
else the user doesn't get to see the headers he will end up sending.
Thanks.

Re: How to strip names out of To: and CC:

[Bastien]

jidanni@jidanni.org writes:

> message-send-mail-hook is too late. You meant message-send-mail-hook.

So what's the difference?  

Can you make explicit requests or sentences?  

Help people help you.

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Re: How to strip names out of To: and CC:

[jidanni]

message-send-mail-hook is too late. You meant message-send-mail-hook.

In this debug trace,
      run-hooks(message-header-setup-hook)
      message-setup-1((((To .    "\"yapcheah@gmail.com\" <yapcheah@gmail.com>"...
Dan should focus his attention on ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      message-setup(...
      message-reply(nil nil)
      gnus-summary-reply(nil)
      call-interactively(gnus-summary-reply)

Re: How to strip names out of To: and CC:

[Reiner Steib]

On Wed, Oct 24 2007, jidanni@jidanni.org wrote:

> Anyway, I see a bug: there is no way to make gnus do the
> aforementioned reasonable things via a reasonable way!

The manual says: "Gnus gives you all the opportunity you could
possibly want for shooting yourself in the foot."  I'm quite sure your
unreasonable thing doesn't require more than 5-10 lines of code
included in `message-send-mail-hook'.

The reasonable way is to read the "Emacs Lisp Intro: (eintr)" and some
similar code from `message.el'.  After finishing this exercise, you
will probably be able to provide many really useful patches for Gnus
in the future yourself.

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Re: How to strip names out of To: and CC:

[jidanni]

> setting the value of the variable `gnus-extract-address-components'
Ah! Of course. I can finally achieve the reasonable goals (no?) of
(describe-variable 'mail-extr-ignore-realname-equals-mailbox-name)
(describe-variable 'mail-extr-ignore-single-names)
to decrease the stupidity of my outgoing mail. Every little bit helps!

The key is to use
(setq gnus-extract-address-components 'mail-extract-address-components)

However, that doesn't work. That isn't apparently part of what happens
when one hits "r" (gnus-summary-reply). Instead that seems to be part
of what is called to do different things owhen setting up the *Summary*
buffer, which I don't want to affect. I only want to affect what
happens when I chose to reply to a message.

And one day when I finally achieve my aforementioned reasonable goals,
which you all must admit are very reasonable, I can go further,
to achieve the only part which you disagree with,
(setq mail-extr-full-name-prefixes ".+");wipe names completely

Anyway, I see a bug: there is no way to make gnus do the
aforementioned reasonable things via a reasonable way!

Re: How to strip names out of To: and CC:

[Daniel Pittman]

jidanni@jidanni.org writes:

> Well here's how far I got:
> (defun jidanni-message-to-cc-no-names ()
>   "Strip the names out of To: and Cc:,
>  leaving just the addresses, for a more spartan style."
>   (let
>   (mapcar
>    (lambda(X)
>       ((X-content
> 	(mapcar
> 	 (lambda(x)(cadr x))
> 	 (mail-extract-address-components x t))))
>       (message-fetch-field "X"))
>    (message-goto-X)(message-delete-line);OR (message-remove-header X)?
>    (insert (concat "X: " X-content "\n")) (list to cc))))
>
> (add-hook 'message-header-setup-hook
> 	  'jidanni-message-to-cc-no-names)
>
> Of course it is just a jumble of Lisp Concepts in no special order
> that took several hours for me to amass.
>
> Or maybe I would be smarter to just hack the definition of
> mail-extract-address-components and gnus-extract-address-components to
> cause them to lose the names, but that would be like painting the
> traffic light green.

You might do better setting the value of the variable
`gnus-extract-address-components' to something that called an existing
method, expunged the name part, then returned the result.

Like others I /really/ don't think this is a good idea, but that
involves no hacking and minimal writing of code for your purposes.

Regards,
        Daniel
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Re: How to strip names out of To: and CC:

[jidanni]

Well here's how far I got:
(defun jidanni-message-to-cc-no-names ()
  "Strip the names out of To: and Cc:,
 leaving just the addresses, for a more spartan style."
  (let
  (mapcar
   (lambda(X)
      ((X-content
	(mapcar
	 (lambda(x)(cadr x))
	 (mail-extract-address-components x t))))
      (message-fetch-field "X"))
   (message-goto-X)(message-delete-line);OR (message-remove-header X)?
   (insert (concat "X: " X-content "\n")) (list to cc))))

(add-hook 'message-header-setup-hook
	  'jidanni-message-to-cc-no-names)

Of course it is just a jumble of Lisp Concepts in no special order
that took several hours for me to amass.

Or maybe I would be smarter to just hack the definition of
mail-extract-address-components and gnus-extract-address-components to
cause them to lose the names, but that would be like painting the
traffic light green.

Re: How to strip names out of To: and CC:

[Reiner Steib]

On Thu, Oct 18 2007, jidanni@jidanni.org wrote:

> How can I use message-header-setup-hook
> to make
> To: Bob Dobbs <b@d.c>
> become
> To: b@d.c

`mail-extract-address-components'/`gnus-extract-address-components'

(I won't provide code because I consider it a bad idea.)

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How to strip names out of To: and CC:

[jidanni]

How can I use message-header-setup-hook
to make
To: Bob Dobbs <b@d.c>
become
To: b@d.c

(Something like what mail-extr-ignore-single-names or
mail-extr-ignore-realname-equals-mailbox-name do but more intense.)