Agent And Mail

Agent And Mail

[Richard Riley]

The gnus manual suggests that it might be nonsensical to have a mail
back end agentized?

Why? It actually seems the best approach for maintaining a local copy of
a certain subset of mails.

For a long time now I have relied on offlineimap and a local dovecot
server. offlineimap has mucked up once too often (3 machines downloading
all 30000 emails again..) and I have decided to revert to a direct gmail
connection : in this scenario I have a group (gmail) with all messages
read - I would like to C-u 1000 /o to fetch the last 1000 messages and
then have the agent fetch those emails and store locally so that I can
peruse them in offline mode. Possible? (I tried and it doesnt work for
me - I have to open an email in unplugged mode for that email to be
marked for fetch next time I do a J s).

Re: Agent And Mail

[Richard Riley]

Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> writes:

> The gnus manual suggests that it might be nonsensical to have a mail
> back end agentized?
>
> Why? It actually seems the best approach for maintaining a local copy of
> a certain subset of mails.

Re-readimg I guess it means a backend that is local mail - not referring
to an imap remote conenction.

The rest remains relevant however:

>
> For a long time now I have relied on offlineimap and a local dovecot
> server. offlineimap has mucked up once too often (3 machines downloading
> all 30000 emails again..) and I have decided to revert to a direct gmail
> connection : in this scenario I have a group (gmail) with all messages
> read - I would like to C-u 1000 /o to fetch the last 1000 messages and
> then have the agent fetch those emails and store locally so that I can
> peruse them in offline mode. Possible? (I tried and it doesnt work for
> me - I have to open an email in unplugged mode for that email to be
> marked for fetch next time I do a J s).
>

Re: Agent And Mail

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> writes:

> I would like to C-u 1000 /o to fetch the last 1000 messages and
> then have the agent fetch those emails and store locally so that I can
> peruse them in offline mode. Possible?

`J #' marks articles as downloadable.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Agent And Mail

[Richard Riley]

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> writes:
>
>> I would like to C-u 1000 /o to fetch the last 1000 messages and
>> then have the agent fetch those emails and store locally so that I can
>> peruse them in offline mode. Possible?
>
> `J #' marks articles as downloadable.

Would it be possible to have it default to all articles in the region
too?

Re: Agent And Mail

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> writes:

> Would it be possible to have it default to all articles in the region
> too?

No.  Just use the process-mark-meta-function thingie to do that, if you
want. 

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Agent And Mail

[Richard Riley]

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> writes:
>
>> Would it be possible to have it default to all articles in the region
>> too?
>
> No.  Just use the process-mark-meta-function thingie to do that, if you
> want. 

Could you elaborate a little. The process-mark-meta-function thingie? ;)

Re: Agent And Mail

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> writes:

> Could you elaborate a little. The process-mark-meta-function thingie? ;)

`M-&'.  Just process-mark the region you want with one of the gazillion
process-mark commands, and then use that command to work on the marked
articles.

I'm pretty sure this is in the manual...  somewhere...

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(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Agent And Mail

[Richard Riley]

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> writes:
>
>> Could you elaborate a little. The process-mark-meta-function thingie? ;)
>
> `M-&'.  Just process-mark the region you want with one of the gazillion
> process-mark commands, and then use that command to work on the marked
> articles.
>
> I'm pretty sure this is in the manual...  somewhere...

Hmmm. Probably...

Like most things. But unless you know how it works and where to look its
kind of hard to fine ;) Thanks for the pointer.

Re: Agent And Mail

[Richard Riley]

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> writes:
>
>> Could you elaborate a little. The process-mark-meta-function thingie? ;)
>
> `M-&'.  Just process-mark the region you want with one of the gazillion
> process-mark commands, and then use that command to work on the marked
> articles.
>
> I'm pretty sure this is in the manual...  somewhere...

ok ...

So "#" on articles I am interested in. The M-& J #

Re: Agent And Mail

[Francis Moreau]

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> writes:
>
>> Could you elaborate a little. The process-mark-meta-function thingie? ;)
>
> `M-&'.  Just process-mark the region you want with one of the gazillion
> process-mark commands, and then use that command to work on the marked
> articles.

That's probably the dumb question of the week, but why using `M-&'
whereas process mark the region and do the wanted command looks
sufficient. And some commands just do that.

Thanks
-- 
Francis

Re: Agent And Mail

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> writes:

> That's probably the dumb question of the week, but why using `M-&'
> whereas process mark the region and do the wanted command looks
> sufficient. And some commands just do that.

It would be silly for commands like `d' to do process/prefix stuff.  The
commands that naturally do process/prefix do.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: agent and mail

[lconrad]

>>>>> "Kai" == johann  <Kai> writes:

    Kai> RXmi FACKEURE <ref@linuxfreak.com> writes:
    >> Here is another thing i do not get. Well I set gnus-agentize
    >> and it seems to work. I lauchn gnus with gnus-unplugged, but
    >> then i cannot receive new mail, even local mail, being
    >> unplugged. And if i plug it checks the nntp server too which
    >> Gnus will never find because i'm not connected via ppp.

    Kai> This is normal behavior.  Gnus just expects that people who
    Kai> use the agent have a dialup connection and can't receive mail
    Kai> when unplugged, either.

When I was using the agent, I had it set up so that when I did "g"
while plugged, it got my mail from my local mail spool, and when I did 
it unplugged, it got the news that had been downloaded.  I think the
relevant parts of my .gnus.el were:

;read news from the server on world
(setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.std.com"))

(setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
      '((nnml "private")))

It must have been trying to contact the nntp server when I did "g"
while plugged, but it didn't take long for it to give up.  

    Kai> If you wish to have a semi-plugged behavior, maybe you'll be
    Kai> better off installing Leafnode on your machine and then using
    Kai> Gnus normally (ie plugged) but point it at the Leafnode on
    Kai> your machine.

This is what I have switched to.  I don't really like it, because
leafnode is pretty slow on my setup, but it does work, and seems a
more intuitive interface than the "J j g J j g" thing I had to use for 
getting mail and news with the agent.

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Re: agent and mail

[Kai Großjohann]

RXmi FACKEURE <ref@linuxfreak.com> writes:

> Here is another thing i do not get. Well I set gnus-agentize and it
> seems to work. I lauchn gnus with gnus-unplugged, but then i cannot
> receive new mail, even local mail, being unplugged. And if i plug it
> checks the nntp server too which Gnus will never find because i'm not
> connected via ppp.

This is normal behavior.  Gnus just expects that people who use the
agent have a dialup connection and can't receive mail when unplugged,
either.

If you wish to have a semi-plugged behavior, maybe you'll be better
off installing Leafnode on your machine and then using Gnus normally
(ie plugged) but point it at the Leafnode on your machine.

> another thing, still in Agent, how could i edit a message send with agent ?
>  You know it is dropped in Drafts before being really sent, and this way you
>  can edit it... Actually, i swith to draft-mode and thne chekc with g to see
>  the messages in the drafts.queue and open the box and perform a D e 
> command but how to resend or better queue again the message ?
> Actually a C-c C-c queues an answer to the message i wanted to edit...

Strange.  I would expect `D e' then editing, then `C-c C-c' to do the
right thing.

> oh, btw, what ia a "hook" ? I do not now nothing about eamcs, lisp and 
> i really wonder what this stuff is :-)

A hook is just a variable, but it contains Lisp code rather than a
number of a string.  And most Emacs packages are written such that
they execute the code in such variables at predefined points during
their operation.  Gnus has a lot of hooks.  With hooks, you can do
more customization than by just setting other variables -- you can
write a function which does stuff based on the phase of the moon, say,
and then add this function to a hook, and soon you have an Emacs with
behavior dependent on the phase of the moon!

Together with midnight.el this might be a way to remind one when one's
girlfriend is likely to be petulant (? right word?) ;-)

kai
-- 
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agent and mail

[Rémi FACKEURE]

Hello !

Here is another thing i do not get. Well I set gnus-agentize and it
seems to work. I lauchn gnus with gnus-unplugged, but then i cannot
receive new mail, even local mail, being unplugged. And if i plug it
checks the nntp server too which Gnus will never find because i'm not
connected via ppp.

I went into the server buffer (^) and i saw that news2.nordnet.fr was
covered by the agent but not the mail groups. Is there something i
didn't understand (for a change) ?

another thing, still in Agent, how could i edit a message send with agent ?
 You know it is dropped in Drafts before being really sent, and this way you
 can edit it... Actually, i swith to draft-mode and thne chekc with g to see
 the messages in the drafts.queue and open the box and perform a D e 
command but how to resend or better queue again the message ?
Actually a C-c C-c queues an answer to the message i wanted to edit...

thank you in advance :)

oh, btw, what ia a "hook" ? I do not now nothing about eamcs, lisp and 
i really wonder what this stuff is :-)

later,