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From: Dan Christensen <jdc@uwo.ca>
To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: That newfangled IMAP thing...
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 11:23:35 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87hbi25214.fsf@uwo.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3iq2kw2he.fsf@quimbies.gnus.org>

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> At this point I feel I would have gotten further if I had just started
> from scratch and written a new set of primitives.
>
> This may not be totally compatible with the old version, but does
> anybody mind?

I would guess that for new users, IMAP is the most common protocol they
will use, since it is offered by most large organizations, is
well-documented, has good features for distributed access, etc.  So
excellent IMAP support would be extremely good for Gnus.

If you really intend to tackle this, I have a few comments:

- Be sure to test with multiple IMAP servers.  Gmail has an IMAP
  interface grafted on as an afterthought, and it has various oddities.  
  I would use dovecot or another common server as the main platform
  for testing.

- The backend should know that things can change behind it's back.

- It'd be great to get accurate unread counts.

- Article editing isn't directly possible, but it should be possible
  to replace an article with a new one (e.g. to strip attachments or
  do other edits).  I've posted patches that do this, but they don't
  correctly update the summary buffer or transfer the marks over to
  the new article.  Here is the thread:

    http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/69094

- I haven't updated my Gnus in a few months, but I believe there is a 
  bug in nnimap when moving an article to a group on the same server:
  if the marks on the article have changed, but haven't been saved,
  then the moved article still gets the old marks.

- I wonder if nnimap should have a variable which makes changes to
  marks, etc be saved as you read the group, rather than when you exit
  it?  Since other devices/programs may monitor the group (e.g. a new
  mail notification daemon, a cell phone, etc) having this information
  updated continuously could be useful.

Dan




  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-09-06 15:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 219+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-05  1:04 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05  1:12 ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 11:20   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 11:44     ` Sebastian Krause
2010-09-05 12:00     ` Frank Schmitt
2010-09-05 13:16     ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 19:58     ` James Cloos
2010-09-06  7:17     ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-07 14:15     ` Wes Hardaker
2010-09-07 14:52       ` Richard Riley
2010-09-07 17:56         ` Wes Hardaker
2010-12-05 12:33         ` Matthias Andree
2010-09-05  1:56 ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-05  2:17 ` Tibor Simko
2010-09-05  2:27 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-05  7:18   ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 11:00     ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-05 13:31       ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 11:23   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 13:22     ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 13:25       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 13:43         ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 17:26     ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-05 17:30       ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-06  9:05         ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-06 15:02           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-06 15:28             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-09 14:54               ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-09 14:58                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-09 15:07                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-05 17:30       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 10:55 ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-05 13:28   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 17:07     ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-05 17:10       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 17:30         ` Memnon Anon
2010-09-06  7:41           ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-27 23:16     ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-29 14:43       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-29 19:19         ` Bjørn Mork
2010-12-02 12:03           ` [PATCH] nnimap.el (nnimap-process-expiry-targets): avoid downloading articles unless necessary Bjørn Mork
2010-12-02 12:17             ` expiry taking "forever" in both cpu time and real time when the IMAP UID is high Bjørn Mork
2010-12-02 12:59               ` Daniel Pittman
2010-12-02 13:28                 ` Bjørn Mork
2010-12-05 12:21                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-11-06 22:24                     ` slow nnimap expiry (dubious patch) John Magorrian
2012-01-03 22:53                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-02-13  8:56                         ` Bjørn Mork
2012-02-13 19:27                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-02-13 20:48                             ` Bjørn Mork
2012-02-26 14:27                         ` Dave Abrahams
2012-03-10  0:51                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-03-10 18:16                             ` Dave Abrahams
2012-03-10 19:57                               ` John Magorrian
2010-12-05 12:16             ` [PATCH] nnimap.el (nnimap-process-expiry-targets): avoid downloading articles unless necessary Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 12:43 ` That newfangled IMAP thing Greg Troxel
2010-09-05 12:56   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 13:16     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 13:38       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 13:40         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 13:46           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 14:12             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 14:43               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 14:49                 ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 16:59                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 17:00                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 17:47                   ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 17:49                   ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-06 12:50                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-09 12:55                     ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-09 13:55                       ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-09 13:59                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-09 14:26                         ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-09 17:14                         ` Sebastian Krause
2010-09-10 23:33                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-10 23:53                             ` Jason L Tibbitts III
2010-09-11  0:02                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-11  0:16                                 ` Greg Troxel
2010-09-11  0:31                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-11  3:42                                     ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-11 11:07                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-11 11:47                                         ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-11 15:44                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-11 17:20                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-11 17:30                                               ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-11 17:31                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-12  8:38                                               ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-12  9:24                                                 ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-12  9:53                                                   ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-12 11:12                                                   ` Richard Riley
2010-09-12 13:15                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-12 15:12                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-12 15:40                                                     ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-12 16:03                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-12 16:56                                                         ` Frank Schmitt
2010-09-12 17:03                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-12 17:26                                                             ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-12 17:29                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-12 19:47                                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-12 20:19                                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13  4:28                                                                     ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-12 17:24                                                         ` Richard Riley
2010-09-13 10:54                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-13  4:26                                                   ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-13  9:28                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13  9:49                                                       ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-13  9:57                                                         ` David Edmondson
2010-09-13 10:20                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13  9:58                                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13 10:07                                                           ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-13 10:24                                                             ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-13 11:06                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13 11:54                                                                 ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-13 12:20                                                                   ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-11 20:52                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-12  2:17                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-12  8:32                                                 ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-12 13:08                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13  4:24                                                     ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-13 10:51                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-13 11:09                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13 12:24                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-13 12:58                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13 14:22                                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13 20:36                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13 21:43                                                             ` Knut Anders Hatlen
2010-09-13 21:55                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13 22:12                                                                 ` Knut Anders Hatlen
2010-09-13 22:14                                                                 ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-13 22:54                                                                 ` Dan Christensen
2010-09-14  7:19                                                                   ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-14 15:10                                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 15:18                                                                     ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-14 15:29                                                                     ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-14 15:30                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-14 15:44                                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 16:21                                                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 18:51                                                                           ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-14 19:01                                                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 19:23                                                                               ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-14 19:26                                                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 19:47                                                                                   ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-14 19:57                                                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 20:07                                                                                       ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-14 19:19                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-14 19:24                                                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 19:35                                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-14 19:40                                                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 19:40                                                                               ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-14 19:43                                                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 19:46                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-15  8:37                                                                                   ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-14 19:26                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-14 19:28                                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 19:44                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-15 10:24                                                                             ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-14 19:35                                                                           ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-14 19:44                                                                           ` Dan Christensen
2010-09-14 19:50                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-14 20:07                                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 20:23                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-14 20:49                                                                                   ` Frank Schmitt
2010-09-15  6:05                                                                                   ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-15  7:33                                                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13 23:56                                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14  0:10                                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14  0:35                                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 10:58                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-12  2:18                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-12  2:32                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-06 15:23                   ` Dan Christensen [this message]
2010-09-06 20:14                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-06 21:01                       ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-06 21:05                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-06 21:27                           ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-06 21:29                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-06 21:39                               ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-07  0:57                         ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-07  1:41                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-07  2:49                             ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-07  6:14                               ` Gijs Hillenius
2010-09-07  7:17                             ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-07 14:57                       ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-07 17:59                       ` James Cloos
2010-09-07 18:16                         ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-08  8:34                           ` Vegard Vesterheim
2010-09-08  9:06                             ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-08 10:00                               ` Vegard Vesterheim
2010-09-08 10:07                                 ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-08 12:06                                   ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-08 12:18                                     ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-08 14:29                                     ` Vegard Vesterheim
2010-09-08 14:43                                       ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-08 11:50                                 ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-08 21:26                                   ` Wes Hardaker
2010-09-05 15:02               ` Mark Plaksin
2010-09-05 16:01               ` David Engster
2010-09-05 16:06                 ` David Engster
2010-09-05 16:15                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 18:15                   ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 18:21                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 19:46                       ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 19:58                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-06 12:57                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-06 13:01                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-06 13:12                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-05 20:04                       ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-05 20:10                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 14:44             ` Tom Rauchenwald
2010-09-06  3:51         ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-06  8:45         ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-06 13:39           ` Romain Francoise
2010-09-06 14:23             ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-06 21:01               ` Daniel Dehennin
2010-09-06 21:04                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-06 16:26             ` Gijs Hillenius
2010-09-06 16:40               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 13:27     ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 17:25     ` Frank Schmitt

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