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From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz@gmail.com>
To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: Gnus sometimes reports new messages but not showing them on IMAP server
Date: Thu, 02 May 2024 10:24:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87msp8qg7o.fsf@debian-hx90.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878r0s6yla.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net>

Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> Xiyue Deng <manphiz@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Xiyue Deng <manphiz@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> Greg Troxel <gdt@lexort.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Arash Esbati <arash@gnu.org> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've focused on figuring out why the active number goes wrong, but in
>>>>>>> the interest of pragmatism it might be better just to make sure that
>>>>>>> nnimap always does the equivalent of "M-g" at Gnus startup.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That might be a good compromise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed.  It seems obvious (said knowing that's dangerous) that on
>>>>> starting up the program, it's best not to rely on state that could be
>>>>> wrong.   That's tricky, because mail programs keep messages and don't
>>>>> refetch them, but relying on counts of unread seems very trouble prone,
>>>>> vs "I have this message body and the timestamp matches so I won't fetch
>>>>> it."
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it would also be good to separate
>>>>>
>>>>>    check for new
>>>>>
>>>>>    get all the messages that are there
>>>>>
>>>>>    really rescan and don't believe state
>>>>>
>>>>> in terms of being much louder about the differences.  I have the
>>>>> impression that the assembled gnususers here are at least somewhat hazy
>>>>> on those boundaries.  At least I am.
>>>>
>>>> I think this is an artifact of Gnus starting out as a newsreader, and
>>>> adding email capability later. In a NNTP context, the read/unread
>>>> message count is entirely private to your local machine, and something
>>>> you can manipulate at will. In an IMAP context, it's very much a part of
>>>> multi-machine state. Gnus should always defer to the remote server,
>>>> particularly at start up. I do wish I knew where the bug was coming
>>>> from, though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> This makes much sense.  I'll try M-g the next time this happens.  Thanks
>>> everyone!
>>>
>>> Also I would expect the equivalent of M-g to happen on startup so that
>>> there are less surprises.
>>
>> So the issue Greg described just happened again that an empty
>> folder/topic "Trash" from one of my outlook accounts just shown 38
>> unread messages and selecting it fails with "Can't select group", while
>> other clients like Thunderbird shows 0 in it.  I have tried "M-g" and it
>> doesn't help unfortunately :(
>>
>> Any more ideas for debugging?
>
> Maybe move a message into the folder, then move it back out?

Ah I was aware of this workaround.  Just wonder whether there is
metadata/debug info that I can try to get to help the developer such as
you to debug this?

> I'll try to get to debugging this area of Gnus in the next few
> weeks...

Really appreciate this!  Meanwhile probably I should try to submit a bug
for tracking.  Is there a Gnus specific bug tracker or I should just use
report-emacs-bug?

>
>
>

-- 
Xiyue Deng



  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-02 17:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-12  0:57 Xiyue Deng
2024-04-17  0:03 ` Greg Troxel
2024-04-17  6:47   ` Xiyue Deng
2024-04-17 19:51 ` Dan Christensen
2024-04-18 12:13   ` Greg Troxel
2024-04-19 22:55     ` Dan Christensen
2024-04-21 12:08       ` Arash Esbati
2024-04-21 12:43         ` Dan Christensen
2024-04-21 13:14         ` Andreas Schwab
2024-04-21 16:18         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2024-04-21 18:16           ` Arash Esbati
2024-04-22  0:00             ` Greg Troxel
2024-04-22  2:35               ` Eric Abrahamsen
2024-04-27 19:46                 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-02  5:47                   ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-02 15:08                     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2024-05-02 17:24                       ` Xiyue Deng [this message]
2024-05-02 17:41                         ` Dan Christensen
2024-05-02 18:41                           ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-05 20:18                             ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-05 21:01                               ` Dan Christensen
2024-05-05 22:10                                 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-08 18:36                                   ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-08 18:41                                   ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-09 23:11                                     ` Andrew Cohen
2024-05-10  7:45                                       ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-10  8:16                                         ` Andrew Cohen
2024-05-10  8:26                                           ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-10  9:13                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2024-05-10  0:43                   ` Greg Troxel
2024-05-10  1:20                     ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-10 12:24                       ` Greg Troxel
2024-05-10 20:06                         ` Xiyue Deng
2024-05-11 19:08                           ` Greg Troxel
2024-05-11 22:33                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2024-05-12 11:14                               ` Gnus sometimes fails to see a message that is actually in IMAP Greg Troxel
2024-05-13 14:39                                 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2024-04-24 15:23           ` Gnus sometimes reports new messages but not showing them on IMAP server James Thomas
2024-04-25  2:59             ` Eric Abrahamsen

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