Re: how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed

[holder@convex.com (Shane Holder)]

>>>>> ""Patrick" == "Patrick J LoPresti" <patl@eiffel.lcs.mit.edu> writes:

>>>>> "larsi" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

  larsi> gsstark@MIT.EDU (Greg Stark) writes:

  >>> I'm not sure I understand what's going here, i think that if I
  >>> have have: gnus-save-killed-list nil gnus-check-new-newsgroups
  >>> 'ask-server

  >>> then Gnus doesn't know about any killed groups so when i use `j'
  >>> or `U' it completes to just the groups I am subscribed to or are
  >>> zombie groups.  I'm not sure the value of check-new-newsgroups is
  >>> relevant, but I think save-killed-list is.

  larsi> Well, the "solution" is to set `gnus-read-active-file' to t.
  larsi> This will make startup slower, though.

  larsi> One way or another, Gnus has to know what groups are
  larsi> available.  Either it must save the list of killed groups, or
  larsi> it must read the active file if you want to be able to do this
  larsi> sort of thing.

  "Patrick> Perhaps there should be a way to ask Gnus to read the active file
  "Patrick> explicitly?  The only time I need the active file read is when
  "Patrick> subscribing to new groups, which isn't very often.

Maybe I don't understand what y'all are talking about, but here goes
anyway.

I've got gnus-check-new-newsgroups set to 'ask-server, 
gnus-save-killed-list to nil, and gnus-read-active-file to nil.

Gnus will ask the nntp server for new newsgroups (new groups are those
that have been created on your server between a specified time period
not new to your .newsrc) , and add those groups to the zombie list.
You can get the zombie by using `A z' this will get you new
newsgroups.  You can get the list of all killed groups by using 
`C-u A k', this will force gnus to read the active file.

I think the server needs to support the newgroups command for the
newgroups stuff to work.  Check by the following

telnet <newshost> nntp
help

You should see a command like 

  newgroups yymmdd hhmmss ["GMT"] [<distributions>]

Anyhow, that's how I do it, if I've totally missed the point, sorry.

Shane

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