Default action when splitting

Default action when splitting

[Vincent Beffara]

Hello,

I am using fancy splitting in nnimap to split the messages in INBOX into
various mailboxes, and I would like the messages matching no explicit
rule to be left in INBOX. I am doing that by havinf a rule variable like

     (| (...)
        (...)
        (...)
        "INBOX")

and it works very well - but apparently, the messages are still deleted
from INBOX and re-introduced there under a different UID (at least, they
look like new messages to offlineimap). That feels a bit sub-optimal.

Is there a way to tell gnus to really do nothing with such messages
(ignoring them completely, simply marking them as seen by the splitting
mechanism so that they are not split again next time) ?

Thanks !

       /vincent

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Re: Default action when splitting

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Vincent Beffara <vbeffara@ens-lyon.fr> writes:

> I am using fancy splitting in nnimap to split the messages in INBOX into
> various mailboxes, and I would like the messages matching no explicit
> rule to be left in INBOX. I am doing that by havinf a rule variable like
>
>      (| (...)
>         (...)
>         (...)
>         "INBOX")

If you want to leave the messages in INBOX, just remove the default, and
they won't be moved around.

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Re: Default action when splitting

[Vincent Beffara]

LMI> If you want to leave the messages in INBOX, just remove the
LMI> default, and they won't be moved around.

Hmm, weird, I seemed to remember trying that first and having everything
land in the 'bogus' group ... but of course it works. Thanks a lot !

     /v

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Re: Default action when splitting

[Julien Cubizolles]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Vincent Beffara <vbeffara@ens-lyon.fr> writes:
>
>> I am using fancy splitting in nnimap to split the messages in INBOX into
>> various mailboxes, and I would like the messages matching no explicit
>> rule to be left in INBOX. I am doing that by havinf a rule variable like
>>
>>      (| (...)
>>         (...)
>>         (...)
>>         "INBOX")
>
> If you want to leave the messages in INBOX, just remove the default, and
> they won't be moved around.

Even with what you suggest, I can't get my fancy splitting rules to
leave the unsplit messages in the INBOX folder of the IMAP server I'm
using. They go to a "mail.misc" folder on the IMAP server, which is the
(default I think) value of nnmail-split-fancy. My setup is copied from
numerous examples given in this mailing list and I can't find what's
wrong with it :

,----
| (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
|       '(
| 	(nnimap "free"
| 		(nnimap-address "imap.free.fr")
| 		(nnimap-authentificator "j.cubizolles")
| 		(nnimap-authinfo-file "~/.authinfo")
| 		(nnimap-inbox "INBOX")
| 		(nnimap-split-predicate "UNDELETED UNSEEN")
| 		(nnimap-split-methods
| 		 '(| (: gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent)
| 		     (: spam-split 'spam-use-bogofilter)
| 		     (any "\\b\\(\\w+\\)@.*bretagne.*" "ml.ups.\\1")
| 		     (any ".*ups-\\b\\(\\w+\\)@listes\\.prepas\\.org" "ml.ups.\\1")
| 		     ("gnus-warning" "duplicat\\(e\\|ion\\) of message" "duplicate")
| 		     )))
| 	(nntp "news.free.fr")
| 	(nntp "news.gmane.org")
| 	)
| )
`----

By the way, I tried replacing :
,----
| (nnimap-split-predicate "UNDELETED UNSEEN")
`----
with 
,----
| (nnimap-unsplittable-articles '(%Deleted %Seen))
`----
as I read somewhere that's how it should be done now but it doesn't seem
to work : all the INBOX folder is split.

Julien.

Re: Default action when splitting

[Andreas Schwab]

Julien Cubizolles <j.cubizolles@free.fr> writes:

> ,----
> | (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
> |       '(
> | 	(nnimap "free"
> | 		(nnimap-address "imap.free.fr")
> | 		(nnimap-authentificator "j.cubizolles")
> | 		(nnimap-authinfo-file "~/.authinfo")
> | 		(nnimap-inbox "INBOX")
> | 		(nnimap-split-predicate "UNDELETED UNSEEN")
> | 		(nnimap-split-methods
> | 		 '(| (: gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent)

You have an extra quote here.

> By the way, I tried replacing :
> ,----
> | (nnimap-split-predicate "UNDELETED UNSEEN")
> `----
> with 
> ,----
> | (nnimap-unsplittable-articles '(%Deleted %Seen))

Another extra quote.

Andreas.

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Re: Default action when splitting

[Julien Cubizolles]

Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes:

>> ,----
>> | (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
>> |       '(
>> | 	(nnimap "free"
>> | 		(nnimap-address "imap.free.fr")
>> | 		(nnimap-authentificator "j.cubizolles")
>> | 		(nnimap-authinfo-file "~/.authinfo")
>> | 		(nnimap-inbox "INBOX")
>> | 		(nnimap-split-predicate "UNDELETED UNSEEN")
>> | 		(nnimap-split-methods
>> | 		 '(| (: gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent)
>
> You have an extra quote here.

I changed it to the following, where every split except the default one
is removed.
,----
| (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
|       '(
| 	(nnimap "free"
| 		(nnimap-address "imap.free.fr")
| 		(nnimap-authentificator "j.cubizolles")
| 		(nnimap-authinfo-file "~/.authinfo")
| 		(nnimap-inbox "INBOX")
|               (nnimap-unsplittable-articles (%Deleted %Seen))
| 		(nnimap-split-methods
| 		 (| 
| 		     ))
| 		)
| 	)
| )
`----

All mail is still splitted to a mail.misc folder on the IMAP server,
which gnus recreates if I remove it. If I just comment the
nnimap-split-methods part, no splitting occurs. Somehow, this syntax
activate the splitting but without setting any rule...

Julien, at a loss for hours on this one.

Re: Default action when splitting

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Julien Cubizolles <j.cubizolles@free.fr> writes:

> All mail is still splitted to a mail.misc folder on the IMAP server,
> which gnus recreates if I remove it. If I just comment the
> nnimap-split-methods part, no splitting occurs. Somehow, this syntax
> activate the splitting but without setting any rule...
>
> Julien, at a loss for hours on this one.

Are you using an up-to-date bzr Emacs?

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