Idea: Examples for making the summary buffer look like other newsreaders

Idea: Examples for making the summary buffer look like other newsreaders

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

A user on gnu.emacs.gnus asked how to make the Gnus summary buffer
look like xnews, and Jesper Harder came up with a solution.

Wouldn't it be nice to have a section in the manual listing various
settings to have the Gnus summary buffer ape other newsreaders?

Post the examples to this thread, and I'll collect them and put them
in the manual.  Include sample output from the settings.

Here's Jesper Harder's example:

> > Subject                  Lines    From     Date   Score
> >   ...                    Lines    From     Date   Score
> >   ...                    Lines    From     Date   Score
> >
> > -subject as the first item, 
> > -an indention of e.g. 3 for every quote level,
> > -cut the subject after X characters, so the following colums are fixed
> > -if the Subject is the same as the subject of the father or it's            
> >     "Re:Subject of the father" then display ... instead of it

> Here is something that's reasonably close to the way XNews displays it:

> (setq gnus-summary-line-format "%U%R %>%(%-45,45s%)%<%4L  %-25,25f  %d  %i \n")
> (setq gnus-summary-same-subject "...")


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Re: Idea: Examples for making the summary buffer look like other newsreaders

[Vincent Bernat]

OoO En cette fin de nuit blanche du jeudi 03 janvier 2002, vers 06:48,
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> disait:

> Wouldn't it be nice to have a section in the manual listing various
> settings to have the Gnus summary buffer ape other newsreaders?

Is it possible to get threads look like mutt and slrn (using pixmap
instead of standard chars) ?
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Re: Idea: Examples for making the summary buffer look like other newsreaders

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Vincent Bernat <bernat@scientist.com> writes:

> Is it possible to get threads look like mutt and slrn (using pixmap
> instead of standard chars) ?

Do we have image support in the format-spec strings yet?  If not, I
can add that...

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Re: Idea: Examples for making the summary buffer look like other newsreaders

[Pavel Janík]

   From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
   Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:20:02 +0100

   > Do we have image support in the format-spec strings yet?  If not, I
   > can add that...

No.

BTW - you seem to look for things to implement :-) I have one thing which
I'd like to be able to do with plain Gnus. I like RMAIL concept of
(emacs)Rmail Labels.

I do not want to describe it again, here are relevant e-mails:

Description: http://www.gnus.org/list-archives/ding/200005/msg00345.html
Another Lobby ;-): http://www.gnus.org/list-archives/ding/200103/msg00094.html
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Re: Idea: Examples for making the summary buffer look like other newsreaders

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Pavel@Janik.cz (Pavel Janík) writes:

> BTW - you seem to look for things to implement :-)

Not really.  :-)

> I have one thing which I'd like to be able to do with plain Gnus. I
> like RMAIL concept of (emacs)Rmail Labels.

I think labels are a good idea, but they seem to require quite a bit
of work to get to, er, work. 

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Re: Idea: Examples for making the summary buffer look like other newsreaders

[Jens Bethkowsky]

On Thu, 03 Jan 2002, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:

> A user on gnu.emacs.gnus asked how to make the Gnus summary buffer
> look like xnews, and Jesper Harder came up with a solution.
> 
> Wouldn't it be nice to have a section in the manual listing various
> settings to have the Gnus summary buffer ape other newsreaders?
> 
> Post the examples to this thread, and I'll collect them and put them
> in the manual.  Include sample output from the settings.

At the moment I have a somewhat slrn-influenced summary-buffer:

,----[ .gnus ]
| ;:* Summary-Buffer
| (setq gnus-summary-line-format "%R%U%z:%4L [%-16,16n] %I%s\n"
| 	gnus-thread-indent-level 2
| 	gnus-summary-same-subject "`->")
`----

It looks like this:

,----[ *Summary de.comm.software.gnus* ]
| AO+:  40 [Raffael Herzog  ] Re: [gnus] quoted-printable
|  O+:  29 [Jo Moskalewski  ]   `->
|  O+:  26 [Torsten Hilbrich]     `->
|  O+:  54 [Raffael Herzog  ]       `->
|  O+:  16 [Raymond Scholz  ]         `->
|  O+:  63 [Raffael Herzog  ]           `->
|  O+:  32 [Nikolaus Rath   ]             `->
|  O+:  19 [Nikolaus Rath   ]               Zeichensatzkodierung (was: [gnus] quoted-printable)
|  !+:  17 [Frank Haun      ]             Re: [gnus] quoted-printable
|  O+:   6 [Robin S. Socha  ]               `->
|  O+:  53 [Raymond Scholz  ]             `->
|  O+:  22 [Jens Bethkowsky ]   `->
|  O+:  34 [Nikolaus Rath   ]   `->
|  O+:  29 [Raffael Herzog  ]   `->
`----

With Oort's '%B' instead of '%I' this should get close, I guess. Only
the number of articles in hidden subthreads is missing. And I don't know
how scores are displayed in slrn, never used it there...

> Here's Jesper Harder's example:

[snip]

>> Here is something that's reasonably close to the way XNews displays it:
> 
>> (setq gnus-summary-line-format "%U%R %>%(%-45,45s%)%<%4L  %-25,25f  %d  %i \n")
>> (setq gnus-summary-same-subject "...")

Well, I don't like the behaviour of %>...%<, because it makes a huge gap
between the indented and the following column. Is there a way to change
this, because I could imagine to put the lines-column and a new
date-column at the end.

..tt..
Jens

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Re: Idea: Examples for making the summary buffer look like other newsreaders

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Jens Bethkowsky <jb.dev.null@gmx.de> writes:

> Well, I don't like the behaviour of %>...%<, because it makes a huge gap
> between the indented and the following column. Is there a way to change
> this, because I could imagine to put the lines-column and a new
> date-column at the end.

Well, the definition is in `gnus-summary-line-format-alist':

    (?\> (make-string gnus-tmp-level ? ) ?s)
    (?\< (make-string (max 0 (- 20 gnus-tmp-level)) ? ) ?s)

You could just alter that to something else.    
    
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wrong-type-argument (was: Idea: Examples for making the summary buffer look like other newsreaders)

[Michael Cook]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> You could just alter that to something else.    

when i view that article (the one i'm following-up to), i get the
following stack trace:

Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument number-or-marker-p nil)
  gnus-convert-gray-x-face-to-xpm(("#JXvzDM.!\\!H$~a{{3O(,C`m+{ghEpOw3i`K3sDvNIk:+lyu\\P-&L#Kd$45\\kIk'zhtnBG{\n {|8cw+&P+_<tn?S6`b!H+s%]bAF\\V{V}P58nmNzZ\"Y&@16=LB,BM@n-7QQ7$t_W~70r|}'V.p,AI|t\n (Y>foPbWvPF,0knwz=YpdsJ&b6O(-X%>'>z8I[ok)<\"`azM)1.bs?o&YX:6KU9ltSB=x-GkJG=KW2=\n s}@!Qn$m,|5e?:^]6]&{tMGrS(5SPE-DuEg<$q!dR&X*|e\\C)2<Jxn*^XUCw3GYb<MS^BhS%#\n" "#F0'k$V)$o|5D>;<*xFdG&@~j#rk>@\"Xx#%,EcmR6]R,hj]5O\n"))
  article-display-x-face()
  apply(article-display-x-face nil)
  (if interactive (call-interactively (quote article-display-x-face)) (apply (quote article-display-x-face) args))
  (save-excursion (set-buffer gnus-article-buffer) (if interactive (call-interactively ...) (apply ... args)))
  gnus-article-display-x-face()
  gnus-treat-article(head)
  gnus-display-mime()
  gnus-article-prepare-display()
  gnus-article-prepare(25758 nil)
  gnus-summary-display-article(25758 nil)
  gnus-summary-select-article(nil force)
  gnus-summary-show-article(nil)
  call-interactively(gnus-summary-show-article)

for some (but not all) other articles recently posted by lars, i
also get a stack trace.

i did `cvs up' a couple hours ago or so.  i'm running emacs 21.1.1.

m.

Re: wrong-type-argument (was: Idea: Examples for making the summary buffer look like other newsreaders)

[ShengHuo ZHU]

Michael Cook <michael.cook@cisco.com> writes:

> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
>
>> You could just alter that to something else.    
>
> when i view that article (the one i'm following-up to), i get the
> following stack trace:
>
> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument number-or-marker-p nil)
>   gnus-convert-gray-x-face-to-xpm(

It is probably because some versions of uncompface don't support -X
option.

ShengHuo

Re: wrong-type-argument (was: Idea: Examples for making the summary buffer look like other newsreaders)

[Michael Cook]

ShengHuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes:

> It is probably because some versions of uncompface don't support -X
> option.

hmm.  the uncompface i'm using doesn't seem to:

$ uncompface -X
uncompface: -X: No such file or directory

do we have a url for the recommended version of uncompface?

m.

Re: wrong-type-argument

[Karl Kleinpaste]

Michael Cook <michael.cook@cisco.com> writes:
> do we have a url for the recommended version of uncompface?

See the "X-Face and depth" thread, where Lars, myself, and others are
hashing this out.

Re: Idea: Examples for making the summary buffer look like other newsreaders

[Jens Bethkowsky]

On Thu, 03 Jan 2002, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> Jens Bethkowsky <jb.dev.null@gmx.de> writes:

> Well, the definition is in `gnus-summary-line-format-alist':
> 
>     (?\> (make-string gnus-tmp-level ? ) ?s)
>     (?\< (make-string (max 0 (- 20 gnus-tmp-level)) ? ) ?s)
> 
> You could just alter that to something else.    

Cool. I'll play a bit with that.

As a Lisp-Newbie: Is there a better way to change the variable than
using 
"(setq gnus-summary-line-format-alist 
       (remove
        '(?\< (make-string (max 0 (- 20 gnus-tmp-level)) ? ) ?s)
        gnus-summary-line-format-alist))
 (add-to-list 'gnus-summary-line-format-alist 
              '(?\< (make-string (max 0 (- x gnus-tmp-level)) ? ) ?s))"
?

..tt..
Jens

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Re: Idea: Examples for making the summary buffer look like other newsreaders

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Jens Bethkowsky <jb.dev.null@gmx.de> writes:

> As a Lisp-Newbie: Is there a better way to change the variable than
> using 
> "(setq gnus-summary-line-format-alist 
>        (remove

(setq gnus-summary-line-format-alist
      (delq (assq ?> gnus-summary-line-format-alist)
            gnus-summary-line-format-alist))

But you don't really have to remove anything.  If you just

(push '(?> whatever) gnus-summary-line-format-alist)

then Gnus will use that, since it'll use the first instance of the
spec in the alist.

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Re: Idea: Examples for making the summary buffer look like other newsreaders

[Kai Großjohann]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> I think labels are a good idea, but they seem to require quite a bit
> of work to get to, er, work. 

Maybe extra headers can help a good bit, here.

kai
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Re: Idea: Examples for making the summary buffer look like other newsreaders

[Frank Haun]

Jens Bethkowsky <jb.dev.null@gmx.de> writes:

> | (setq gnus-summary-line-format "%R%U%z:%4L [%-16,16n] %I%s\n"

With changing 
  "%R%U%z:%4L [%-16,16n] %I%s\n" to

  "%R%U%z:%4L %[%-16,16n%] %I%s\n" 
              ^         ^

you get an indicator if the article has no parent.

Frank
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Re: Idea: Examples for making the summary buffer look like other newsreaders

[Vincent Bernat]

OoO Vers la fin de l'après-midi du jeudi 03 janvier 2002, vers 16:01,
Jens Bethkowsky <jb.dev.null@gmx.de> disait:

> ,----[ .gnus ]
> | ;:* Summary-Buffer
> | (setq gnus-summary-line-format "%R%U%z:%4L [%-16,16n] %I%s\n"
> | 	gnus-thread-indent-level 2
> | 	gnus-summary-same-subject "`->")
> `----

> It looks like this:

> ,----[ *Summary de.comm.software.gnus* ]
> | AO+:  40 [Raffael Herzog  ] Re: [gnus] quoted-printable
[...]

Putting a "screenshot" is really a good idea. It is always a pain to
describe the result and a pain to test it on its configuration ! :)
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