* Doc typos and a question
@ 2002-01-04 18:07 Norman Walsh
2002-01-04 19:26 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-01-05 16:16 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Norman Walsh @ 2002-01-04 18:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
A couple of typos in gnus-faq.texi, I think:
*** gnus-faq.texi 2001/11/15 08:43:55 6.6
--- gnus-faq.texi 2002/01/04 18:04:55
***************
*** 263,267 ****
@kbd{C-c C-y} grabs the previous message and prefixes each line with
! @code{ail-indentation-spaces} spaces or @code{mail-yank-prefix} if that is
non-nil, unless you have set your own @code{mail-citation-hook}, which will
be called to do the job.
--- 263,267 ----
@kbd{C-c C-y} grabs the previous message and prefixes each line with
! @code{message-indentation-spaces} spaces or @code{message-yank-prefix} if that is
non-nil, unless you have set your own @code{mail-citation-hook}, which will
be called to do the job.
Also, the FAQ speaks of mail-yank-ignored-headers but the only place I
see that in the *.el files is in a comment. Perhaps
`message-ignored-cited-headers' was intended?
Now for my question, what's the intended difference between
message-yank-prefix and message-yank-cited-prefix? I found the typos
while I was trying to figure out why blank lines were being prefixed
differently than non-blank lines (since I upgraded to Oort).
Turns out (I think) it was because I wasn't (re)setting message-yank-cited-prefix.
Be seeing you,
norm
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* Re: Doc typos and a question
2002-01-04 18:07 Doc typos and a question Norman Walsh
@ 2002-01-04 19:26 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-01-05 16:17 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-01-05 17:01 ` Norman Walsh
2002-01-05 16:16 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Simon Josefsson @ 2002-01-04 19:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:
> Also, the FAQ speaks of mail-yank-ignored-headers but the only place I
> see that in the *.el files is in a comment. Perhaps
> `message-ignored-cited-headers' was intended?
The FAQ in the manual is very old. Maybe we should remove it? Or at
least incorporate new versions (semi-)automatically?
> Now for my question, what's the intended difference between
> message-yank-prefix and message-yank-cited-prefix?
One is used to cite cited text, the other to cite non-cited text.
Maybe message-yank-cited-prefix should be initialized to be
message-yank-prefix except the last whitespace, if present.
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* Re: Doc typos and a question
2002-01-04 18:07 Doc typos and a question Norman Walsh
2002-01-04 19:26 ` Simon Josefsson
@ 2002-01-05 16:16 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2002-01-05 16:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:
> A couple of typos in gnus-faq.texi, I think:
Thanks for the patch; I've applied it to Oort Gnus v0.05 (i. e., CVS).
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: Doc typos and a question
2002-01-04 19:26 ` Simon Josefsson
@ 2002-01-05 16:17 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-01-18 6:51 ` Justin Sheehy
2002-01-05 17:01 ` Norman Walsh
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2002-01-05 16:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:
> The FAQ in the manual is very old. Maybe we should remove it? Or at
> least incorporate new versions (semi-)automatically?
It would be best if we could get a new texinfo version of the FAQ
included. It's being maintained in HTML, I believe.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: Doc typos and a question
2002-01-04 19:26 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-01-05 16:17 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2002-01-05 17:01 ` Norman Walsh
2002-01-05 19:12 ` Simon Josefsson
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From: Norman Walsh @ 2002-01-05 17:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
/ Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> was heard to say:
| Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:
|> Now for my question, what's the intended difference between
|> message-yank-prefix and message-yank-cited-prefix?
|
| One is used to cite cited text, the other to cite non-cited text.
Does this boil down to: "one is used for blank lines and one is used for
non-blank lines?" If not, what does it mean to "cite non-cited text"?
Be seeing you,
norm
--
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | Man is in love and loves what vanishes,
http://nwalsh.com/ | / What more is there to say?--W. B.
| Yeats
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* Re: Doc typos and a question
2002-01-05 17:01 ` Norman Walsh
@ 2002-01-05 19:12 ` Simon Josefsson
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From: Simon Josefsson @ 2002-01-05 19:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:
> / Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> was heard to say:
> | Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:
> |> Now for my question, what's the intended difference between
> |> message-yank-prefix and message-yank-cited-prefix?
> |
> | One is used to cite cited text, the other to cite non-cited text.
>
> Does this boil down to: "one is used for blank lines and one is used for
> non-blank lines?"
Not in general, no.
> If not, what does it mean to "cite non-cited text"?
message-yank-cited-prefix is used if the text that is to be cited is
already cited, e.g.:
> foo bar
instead of
foo bar.
This is so that you get this look:
>>>> foo bar
>>> bar foo
>> foo bar
> bar foo
foo bar
instead of
> > > > foo bar
> > > bar foo
> > foo bar
> bar foo
foo bar
which seems to be suggested by RFC 2822 or USEFOR (or maybe both).
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* Re: Doc typos and a question
2002-01-05 16:17 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2002-01-18 6:51 ` Justin Sheehy
2002-01-18 17:31 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-01-19 23:54 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Justin Sheehy @ 2002-01-18 6:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:
>
>> The FAQ in the manual is very old. Maybe we should remove it? Or at
>> least incorporate new versions (semi-)automatically?
>
> It would be best if we could get a new texinfo version of the FAQ
> included. It's being maintained in HTML, I believe.
Your belief is correct. It has been maintained in HTML since well
before I took over maintainership of it.
Producing a new texinfo version has been on my todo list forever, and
I keep managing to not do it. When I get to it (soon, I hope), I
don't know whether I'll do another one-shot conversion or if I'll
switch over the canonical form.
I'm open to fairly sweeping changes. I don't have any real objections
to texinfo. Here are my real requirements if the format was to change:
- no major hassles to maintain, preferably in a single file
- easy to convert to nicely-browsable single-file HTML
- easy to convert into minidigest format (the monthly posting)
The second and third shouldn't be all that big a deal, since one ought
to be able to write code to do that sort of conversion even if there
is no built-in program to do so. However, the time required to write
that is likely to increase my personal level of procrastination.
I don't feel strongly about the formatting language. Being able to
easily keep the version in the manual from being too out-of-date would
definitely be nice, though...
-Justin
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* Re: Doc typos and a question
2002-01-18 6:51 ` Justin Sheehy
@ 2002-01-18 17:31 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-01-19 23:54 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Simon Josefsson @ 2002-01-18 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Justin Sheehy <justin@iago.org> writes:
> Producing a new texinfo version has been on my todo list
> forever, and I keep managing to not do it. When I get to it
> (soon, I hope), I don't know whether I'll do another one-shot
> conversion or if I'll switch over the canonical form.
>
> I'm open to fairly sweeping changes. I don't have any real
> objections to texinfo. Here are my real requirements if the
> format was to change:
>
> - no major hassles to maintain, preferably in a single file
> - easy to convert to nicely-browsable single-file HTML easy to
> - convert into minidigest format (the monthly posting)
I think texinfo does all this, plus makes it possible to browse it
in Emacs. I'm not sure what the minidigest format is though
(table of contents?).
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* Re: Doc typos and a question
2002-01-18 6:51 ` Justin Sheehy
2002-01-18 17:31 ` Simon Josefsson
@ 2002-01-19 23:54 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-01-20 0:27 ` Justin Sheehy
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2002-01-19 23:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
Justin Sheehy <justin@iago.org> writes:
> I'm open to fairly sweeping changes. I don't have any real objections
> to texinfo. Here are my real requirements if the format was to change:
>
> - no major hassles to maintain, preferably in a single file
> - easy to convert to nicely-browsable single-file HTML
> - easy to convert into minidigest format (the monthly posting)
I think you can do all of those things (and more :-) with TeXinfo.
> I don't feel strongly about the formatting language. Being able to
> easily keep the version in the manual from being too out-of-date would
> definitely be nice, though...
Yup. If you did it in TeXinfo, you could also just stick it into the
Gnus CVS and we would always have an up-to-the-minute version of the
FAQ in the Gnus manual.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: Doc typos and a question
2002-01-19 23:54 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2002-01-20 0:27 ` Justin Sheehy
2002-01-20 0:33 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Justin Sheehy @ 2002-01-20 0:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> I think you can do all of those things (and more :-) with TeXinfo.
Great. I've only done minor edits of previously-existing texinfo docs
before, so I'll have to go spend some time reading some docs. I've
used TeX before, so I suspect it won't be all too hard.
> Yup. If you did it in TeXinfo, you could also just stick it into the
> Gnus CVS and we would always have an up-to-the-minute version of the
> FAQ in the Gnus manual.
Ah, that would be good.
Okay then. I will definitely convert to texinfo. Hopefully within
the next week or two. If I haven't done so, feel free to poke me via
email; I tend to get distracted by work.
-Justin
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* Re: Doc typos and a question
2002-01-20 0:27 ` Justin Sheehy
@ 2002-01-20 0:33 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2002-01-20 0:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
Justin Sheehy <justin@iago.org> writes:
> Great. I've only done minor edits of previously-existing texinfo docs
> before, so I'll have to go spend some time reading some docs. I've
> used TeX before, so I suspect it won't be all too hard.
TeXinfo doesn't really look much like TeX. :-) The good news is that
it's much simpler.
> Okay then. I will definitely convert to texinfo. Hopefully within
> the next week or two.
Cool.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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