snapshot old?

snapshot old?

[Yair Friedman (Jerusalem)]

Hi,

It seems that the latest snapshot is very old....
,----
| FTP Directory: ftp://ftp.gnus.org/pub/gnus/snapshots/
|  Parent Directory 
|  gnus-CURRENT-20011022.tar.gz . . Oct 22 02:02   1779k
`----
Is the process broken, it is it our DNS? I need to know before I complain
to out sysadmins here.

Thanks,
Yair Friedman.

Re: snapshot old?

[Bill White]

On the Memorial of the Presentation of Mary, 2001, at 09:35, "Yair Friedman (Jerusalem)" <YAIRFR@amdocs.com> said:

> Hi,
>
> It seems that the latest snapshot is very old....
> ,----
> | FTP Directory: ftp://ftp.gnus.org/pub/gnus/snapshots/
> |  Parent Directory 
> |  gnus-CURRENT-20011022.tar.gz . . Oct 22 02:02   1779k
> `----
> Is the process broken, it is it our DNS? I need to know before I complain
> to out sysadmins here.

Auto snapshot generation has been broken since the gnus servers were
switched.  AFAIK cvs is the only way at the moment to get current oort
updates.

Note to big gnus dudes: move to sourceforge?

Cheers -

bw
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Re: snapshot old?

[Josh Huber]

Bill White <billw@wolfram.com> writes:

> Note to big gnus dudes: move to sourceforge?

Considering the recent activities at sf, perhaps we should use
savannah instead?

ttyl,

-- 
Josh Huber

Re: snapshot old?

[news]

Josh Huber <huber@alum.wpi.edu> writes:

> Considering the recent activities at sf, perhaps we should use
> savannah instead?

What recent activities at sf?

Chris

Re: snapshot old?

[Tibor Simko]

Hello

On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Chris Beggy wrote:

> What recent activities at sf?

See e.g. this week's LWN editorial "Succeeding SourceForge" at
<http://lwn.net/2001/1122/>.

Tibor

Re: snapshot old?

[news]

Tibor Simko <tibor.simko@cern.ch> writes:

> Hello
>
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Chris Beggy wrote:
>
>> What recent activities at sf?
>
> See e.g. this week's LWN editorial "Succeeding SourceForge" at
> <http://lwn.net/2001/1122/>.

Thanks for the link.  That article is quite lukewarm compared to:

  http://www.fsfeurope.org/news/article2001-10-20-01.en.html
  http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/phpgroupware-developers/2001-November/000002.html

which has some details about why phpgroupware is moving to
savannah.

Chris

Re: snapshot old?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

"Yair Friedman (Jerusalem)" <YAIRFR@amdocs.com> writes:

> Is the process broken, it is it our DNS? I need to know before I complain
> to out sysadmins here.

Oops.  Looks like I forgot to copy /var/spool/cron from the old Quimby
to the new Quimby.  Fixed now.

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Re: snapshot old?

[ShengHuo ZHU]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> "Yair Friedman (Jerusalem)" <YAIRFR@amdocs.com> writes:
>
>> Is the process broken, it is it our DNS? I need to know before I complain
>> to out sysadmins here.
>
> Oops.  Looks like I forgot to copy /var/spool/cron from the old Quimby
> to the new Quimby.  Fixed now.

One more oops, /usr/lib/cvs/contrib/cvslog is not copied.

ShengHuo

Re: snapshot old?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

ShengHuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes:

> One more oops, /usr/lib/cvs/contrib/cvslog is not copied.

Darn.  And now the old Quimby is offline.  Does anybody have a copy of
that one?

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Re: snapshot old?

[Russ Allbery]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Darn.  And now the old Quimby is offline.  Does anybody have a copy of
> that one?

As I recall, you were using my script or some modification thereof.  I've
since significantly improved the script that you were using; the latest
version is available at:

    <ftp://ftp.eyrie.org/pub/software/cvs/>

cvsprep is only necessary if you want to merge multidirectory commits into
a single mail message.  See the INSTALLATION section of the embedded POD
documentation for details on how to set it up.

If you have diffstat available, this version can append some statistics
about the modifications involved in a commit.

-- 
Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)             <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

Re: snapshot old?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu> writes:

> As I recall, you were using my script or some modification thereof.

Yup.

> I've since significantly improved the script that you were using;
> the latest version is available at:
>
>     <ftp://ftp.eyrie.org/pub/software/cvs/>

Great!  I've now installed it, and it seems to work perfectly.

> If you have diffstat available, this version can append some statistics
> about the modifications involved in a commit.

Seems to be installed in Debian Potato without me having to ask...

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Re: snapshot old?

[ShengHuo ZHU]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu> writes:
>
>> As I recall, you were using my script or some modification thereof.
>
> Yup.
>
>> I've since significantly improved the script that you were using;
>> the latest version is available at:
>>
>>     <ftp://ftp.eyrie.org/pub/software/cvs/>
>
> Great!  I've now installed it, and it seems to work perfectly.

Not perfectly. Though the log was posted, I still got a warning

cvslog: can't open /usr/local/cvsroot/CVSROOT/modules: No such file or
directory

ShengHuo

Re: snapshot old?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

ShengHuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes:

> Not perfectly. Though the log was posted, I still got a warning
>
> cvslog: can't open /usr/local/cvsroot/CVSROOT/modules: No such file or
> directory

Seems like a spurious warning from the cvslog script.  I've just
commented it out now.

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Re: snapshot old?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Seems like a spurious warning from the cvslog script.  I've just
> commented it out now.

Huh.  I just tried checking something out, and cvs told me that the
cvs lock was held.  So I had a peek at the server, and cvslog was
using 100% CPU.  I killed it, and now everything is OK again.
Checking in works as it should.  Odd.

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   larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: snapshot old?

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>:

> ShengHuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes:
>> Not perfectly. Though the log was posted, I still got a warning
>> 
>> cvslog: can't open /usr/local/cvsroot/CVSROOT/modules: No such file or
>> directory

> Seems like a spurious warning from the cvslog script.  I've just
> commented it out now.

Is there a /usr/local/cvsroot/CVSROOT/modules file on quimby?
Or is there just the RCS file /usr/local/cvsroot/CVSROOT/modules,v?

Try logging in on quimby, as a user that is member of a group that has
write access to the CVSROOT directory, and do
	cd /usr/local/cvsroot/CVSROOT/
	co -r modules

Does that fix the problem?

Re: snapshot old?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:

> Is there a /usr/local/cvsroot/CVSROOT/modules file on quimby?
> Or is there just the RCS file /usr/local/cvsroot/CVSROOT/modules,v?

There's neither.

> Try logging in on quimby, as a user that is member of a group that has
> write access to the CVSROOT directory, and do
> 	cd /usr/local/cvsroot/CVSROOT/
> 	co -r modules

larsi@quimby2:/usr/local/cvsroot/CVSROOT$ cvs co -r modules
cvs checkout: No CVSROOT specified!  Please use the `-d' option
cvs [checkout aborted]: or set the CVSROOT environment variable.

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   larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: snapshot old?

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>:

> Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:
>> Is there a /usr/local/cvsroot/CVSROOT/modules file on quimby?
>> Or is there just the RCS file /usr/local/cvsroot/CVSROOT/modules,v?

> There's neither.

>> Try logging in on quimby, as a user that is member of a group that has
>> write access to the CVSROOT directory, and do
>> cd /usr/local/cvsroot/CVSROOT/
>> co -r modules

> larsi@quimby2:/usr/local/cvsroot/CVSROOT$ cvs co -r modules
> cvs checkout: No CVSROOT specified!  Please use the `-d' option
> cvs [checkout aborted]: or set the CVSROOT environment variable.

Just "co", not "cvs co" (ie. the RCS "co" program).

Re: snapshot old?

[Russ Allbery]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> ShengHuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes:

>> Not perfectly. Though the log was posted, I still got a warning

>> cvslog: can't open /usr/local/cvsroot/CVSROOT/modules: No such file or
>> directory

> Seems like a spurious warning from the cvslog script.  I've just
> commented it out now.

Yup.  I always use a modules file, but CVS doesn't need it.  Here's the
fix:

--- cvslog      9 Oct 2001 05:46:43 -0000       1.24
+++ cvslog      30 Dec 2001 22:34:34 -0000      1.25
@@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
 #!/usr/pubsw/bin/perl
-$ID = q($Id: cvslog,v 1.24 2001/10/09 05:46:43 eagle Exp $ );
+$ID = q($Id: cvslog,v 1.25 2001/12/30 22:34:34 eagle Exp $ );
 #
 # cvslog -- Mail CVS commit notifications.
 #
@@ -69,9 +69,7 @@
 # seeing if it's a prefix of the module path.
 sub find_module {
     my $module = shift;
-    if (!open (MODULES, "$REPOSITORY/CVSROOT/modules")) {
-        warn "$0: can't open $REPOSITORY/CVSROOT/modules: $!\n";
-    } else {
+    if (open (MODULES, "$REPOSITORY/CVSROOT/modules")) {
         local $_;
         while (<MODULES>) {
             next if /^\s*\#/;

-- 
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Re: snapshot old?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:

> Just "co", not "cvs co" (ie. the RCS "co" program).

larsi@quimby2:/usr/local/cvsroot/CVSROOT$ co -r modules
bash: co: command not found

:-)

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Re: snapshot old?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu> writes:

> Yup.  I always use a modules file, but CVS doesn't need it.  Here's the
> fix:

Thanks.

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Re: snapshot old?

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>:

> Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:
>> Just "co", not "cvs co" (ie. the RCS "co" program).

> larsi@quimby2:/usr/local/cvsroot/CVSROOT$ co -r modules
> bash: co: command not found

> :-)

It's a debian machine?

Log in as root, then:
	apt-get update
	apt-get install rcs
	/bin/su larsi
	cd /usr/local/CVSROOT/
	co -r modules

;-)

Re: snapshot old?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:

> It's a debian machine?
>
> Log in as root, then:
> 	apt-get update
> 	apt-get install rcs
> 	/bin/su larsi
> 	cd /usr/local/CVSROOT/
> 	co -r modules

Sure.  But I don't need the modules; Russ fixed the cvslog script.
:-)

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Re: snapshot old?

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>:

> Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:
>> It's a debian machine?
>> 
>> Log in as root, then:
>> 	apt-get update
>> 	apt-get install rcs
>> 	/bin/su larsi
>> 	cd /usr/local/CVSROOT/
>> 	co -r modules

> Sure.  But I don't need the modules; Russ fixed the cvslog script.
> :-)

"Fixed the symptoms instead of the cause", you mean...? ;-)

You will need a modules file in the CVSROOT directory in the
repository, if you plan to use CVS modules that aren't top level
directories in the repository, I think.

Re: snapshot old?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:

> You will need a modules file in the CVSROOT directory in the
> repository, if you plan to use CVS modules that aren't top level
> directories in the repository, I think.

I don't think I plan on doing that, but I'm not well versed in CVS
lore.

Anyway:

larsi@quimby2:/usr/local/cvsroot/CVSROOT$ co -r modules
co: RCS/modules,v: No such file or directory

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Re: snapshot old?

[Russ Allbery]

Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:

> You will need a modules file in the CVSROOT directory in the repository,
> if you plan to use CVS modules that aren't top level directories in the
> repository, I think.

Yes, but for Gnus there's really no reason to do that.

Most CVS repositories don't need modules.  CVS repositories for a single
project in particular almost never need modules.  You only *really* need
modules if you want to support easy download of just a portion of the tree
that doesn't directly correspond to a subdirectory, although they're
occasionally useful if you want to give alternate names to a portion of
the directory hierarchy.

I always use a modules file just to support cvslog; I rarely actually use
the module names.  I just like the look of:

    <news-config>/control.ctl

instead of:

    leland/news/config/news/control.ctl

-- 
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Re: snapshot old?

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>:

> I don't think I plan on doing that, but I'm not well versed in CVS
> lore.

As long as it works for you, there's no point in digging deeper. :-)

Myself, I'm just waiting for
	<http://subversion.tigris.org/>
to come of age, to be able to ditch CVS altogether.

> Anyway:

> larsi@quimby2:/usr/local/cvsroot/CVSROOT$ co -r modules
> co: RCS/modules,v: No such file or directory

Hmm... that's strange.  Do you have a /usr/local/cvsroot/CVSROOT/modules,v
file?  Maybe "cvs init" didn't create it?

Re: snapshot old?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:

> Myself, I'm just waiting for
> 	<http://subversion.tigris.org/>
> to come of age, to be able to ditch CVS altogether.

The web page does look promising.  They make all the right noises, and
certainly seem to address all the gripes I have with CVS, while they
seem to keep the essential goodness of CVS.  (I few other VC projects
I've seen seem to spend much time doing counter-advocacy against CVS,
which is something that always makes me suspicious.) 

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