Oort Gnus v0.10 is released

Oort Gnus v0.10 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

I kinda botched the last release, so here's one that should fix it.

Get it from <URL:http://quimby.gnus.org/gnus/dist/ognus-0.10.tar.gz>
or "/ftp@quimby.gnus.org:/pub/gnus/".  The patch is available as
<URL:ftp://quimby.gnus.org/pub/gnus/ding-patches/ognus-0.09-0.10.diff.gz>.

ChangeLog since last release:

2003-01-05 01:53:30 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <lars@ingebrigtsen.no>

	* gnus.el: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released.

2003-01-05  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi@gnus.org>

	* gnus.el (gnus-version-number): Fix version number.



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Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released

[Romain FRANCOISE]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> 2003-01-05 01:53:30 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <lars@ingebrigtsen.no>
> 	* gnus.el: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released.

Hm.  I'm at 0.11 here, or am I missing something?

,----[ C-h v gnus-version-number RET ]
| gnus-version-number's value is "0.11"
| 
| Version number for this version of Gnus.
| 
| Defined in `gnus'.
`----

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Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released

[Romain FRANCOISE]

Hm, forget that.  Sorry about the noise.  :)

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Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released

[Graham Murray]

Romain FRANCOISE <romain@orebokech.com> writes:

> Hm.  I'm at 0.11 here, or am I missing something?

When version X is released, the cvs changes to version X+1

Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el

[Stainless Steel Rat]

message.el in Oort 0.10 binds `C-c C-p' to message-insert-wide-reply in
message-mode-map (0.07 did not do this).  `C-c C-p' is historically a
"private" prefix that GNU Emacs reserved for users to bind their own three
(or more) key sequences.

Did this change?  Did I blink?

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Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el

[Kai Großjohann]

Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

> message.el in Oort 0.10 binds `C-c C-p' to message-insert-wide-reply in
> message-mode-map (0.07 did not do this).  `C-c C-p' is historically a
> "private" prefix that GNU Emacs reserved for users to bind their own three
> (or more) key sequences.

Yes, I guess there are still some Supercite aficionados out there who
customarily use C-c C-p.

Somewhat off-topic, Preview-LaTeX also uses C-c C-p...
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Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el

[Stainless Steel Rat]

* kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann)  on Sun, 05 Jan 2003
| Yes, I guess there are still some Supercite aficionados out there who
| customarily use C-c C-p.

Well, I'm no longer a Supercite aficionado :).  I use a very simple,
home-brew citing function.  But I do use C-c C-p to prefix some commonly
used stuff in message-mode.  Emacs throws an error with Oort 0.10 when
trying to bind C-c C-p o when C-c C-p is already bound to a function.

| Somewhat off-topic, Preview-LaTeX also uses C-c C-p...

My understanding is that nothing should be using C-c C-p except end users.
I wanted to find out if that had changed.

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Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el

[Kai Großjohann]

Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

> My understanding is that nothing should be using C-c C-p except end users.
> I wanted to find out if that had changed.

My understanding is that this was never so.  The Emacs (or ELisp)
manual explicitly says that bindings C-c C-a through C-c C-z are
reserved for (major?) modes whereas C-c a through C-c z are reserved
for the user.

Hm.
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Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el

[Steve Youngs]

|--==> "KG" == Kai Großjohann <kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de> writes:

  KG> Yes, I guess there are still some Supercite aficionados out there who
  KG> customarily use C-c C-p.

Yep.  Does that make me old-fashioned? :-)

  KG> Somewhat off-topic, Preview-LaTeX also uses C-c C-p...

Hm, but does it do it in message-mode?  Didier Verna's excellent
XEmacs package "Patcher" uses C-c C-p in message-mode.

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Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el

[Steve Youngs]

|--==> "Rat" == Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

  Rat> message.el in Oort 0.10 binds `C-c C-p' to message-insert-wide-reply in
  Rat> message-mode-map

  Rat> Did this change?  Did I blink?

Maybe it was only a brief change, in Oort Gnus v0.11:

,----[ C-h w message-insert-wide-reply RET ]
| message-insert-wide-reply is not on any keys
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Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el

[Stainless Steel Rat]

* kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann)  on Sun, 05 Jan 2003
| My understanding is that this was never so.  The Emacs (or ELisp)
| manual explicitly says that bindings C-c C-a through C-c C-z are
| reserved for (major?) modes whereas C-c a through C-c z are reserved
| for the user.

| Hm.

Okay.  Looks like a mistake on my part, then.
I should probably get myself used to C-c p as my prefix.

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Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

> message.el in Oort 0.10 binds `C-c C-p' to message-insert-wide-reply in
> message-mode-map (0.07 did not do this).

Yes, that's a bad keystroke...  Anybody have a suggestion for a
better one?

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Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el

[Stainless Steel Rat]

* Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>  on Sun, 05 Jan 2003
| > message.el in Oort 0.10 binds `C-c C-p' to message-insert-wide-reply in
| > message-mode-map (0.07 did not do this).

| Yes, that's a bad keystroke...  Anybody have a suggestion for a
| better one?

It might not be inherently.  I probably had the C-c C-p vs. C-c p thing
backwards all these years.

Umm... but maybe C-c M-t makes a little more sense, paralleling C-c C-t?

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Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

> Umm... but maybe C-c M-t makes a little more sense, paralleling C-c C-t?

I've now moved the command to that keystroke, and documented the
command. 

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Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el

[Kai Großjohann]

Steve Youngs <youngs@xemacs.org> writes:

> |--==> "KG" == Kai Großjohann <kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de> writes:
>
>   KG> Somewhat off-topic, Preview-LaTeX also uses C-c C-p...
>
> Hm, but does it do it in message-mode?

No, that's why the remark was off-topic.
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Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el

[Josh Huber]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:
>
>> Umm... but maybe C-c M-t makes a little more sense, paralleling C-c C-t?
>
> I've now moved the command to that keystroke, and documented the
> command. 

Doh!

That's what I used to prefix several commands in tmda.el:
http://cvs.sf.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/~checkout~/tmda/tmda/contrib/tmda.el

Unfortunate...

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Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Josh Huber <huber@alum.wpi.edu> writes:

>>> Umm... but maybe C-c M-t makes a little more sense, paralleling C-c C-t?
>>
>> I've now moved the command to that keystroke, and documented the
>> command. 
>
> Doh!
>
> That's what I used to prefix several commands in tmda.el:
> http://cvs.sf.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/~checkout~/tmda/tmda/contrib/tmda.el

Oops.  Well, I can move it again.  Any suggestions?

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Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el

[Stainless Steel Rat]

* Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>  on Wed, 08 Jan 2003
| > That's what I used to prefix several commands in tmda.el:
| > http://cvs.sf.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/~checkout~/tmda/tmda/contrib/tmda.el

| Oops.  Well, I can move it again.  Any suggestions?

What about C-c C-f M-t?  Putting it under the C-c C-f header field map?

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Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

> | Oops.  Well, I can move it again.  Any suggestions?
>
> What about C-c C-f M-t?  Putting it under the C-c C-f header field map?

All the `C-c C-f' commands just move to the header in question; they
don't insert anything, so I'm not sure that's optimal...

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Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el

[Reiner Steib]

On Sat, Jan 11 2003, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:

> All the `C-c C-f' commands just move to the header in question; they
> don't insert anything,

... unless the header isn't there.

> so I'm not sure that's optimal...

There are already some `C-c C-f' bindings that insert or modify
headers:

 C-c C-f C-i  cycle through Importance values
 C-c C-f s    change subject and append \"(was: <Old Subject>)\"
 C-c C-f x    crossposting with FollowUp-To header and note in body
 C-c C-f t    replace To: header with contents of Cc: or Bcc:
 C-c C-f a    Insert X-No-Archive: header and a note in the body

The last four were introduced not too long ago (2002-09-17) so it
should be okay to change them, if the bindings contradict the policy.

`C-c C-f C-i' was already introduced on 2001-11-19.

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Re: Oort Gnus v0.10 is released - C-c C-p in message.el

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Reiner Steib <4uce.02.r.steib@gmx.net> writes:

> There are already some `C-c C-f' bindings that insert or modify
> headers:
>
>  C-c C-f C-i  cycle through Importance values
>  C-c C-f s    change subject and append \"(was: <Old Subject>)\"
>  C-c C-f x    crossposting with FollowUp-To header and note in body
>  C-c C-f t    replace To: header with contents of Cc: or Bcc:
>  C-c C-f a    Insert X-No-Archive: header and a note in the body

Okidoke.  I'll put `message-insert-wide-reply' on `C-c C-f w', then.

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