Additional to level topic?

Additional to level topic?

[Pavel Janík ml.]

Hi,

how can I create second (and additional) top level topics?
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Pavel Janík ml.
Pavel.Janik@linux.cz

Re: Additional to level topic?

[Shenghuo ZHU]

Pavel.Janik@linux.cz (Pavel Janík ml.) writes:

> how can I create second (and additional) top level topics?

It is impossible. Check the variable, gnus-topic-topology, and you
will find why.

Shenghuo

Re: Additional to level topic?

[Pavel Janík ml.]

   From: Shenghuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu>
   Date: 04 Jun 2000 18:01:54 -0400

Hi,

   > It is impossible. Check the variable, gnus-topic-topology, and you
   > will find why.

:-) This was the original reason why I'm asking here. I think that this can
be solved (yes, I think this should be better in Gnus) by defining one
Topic as "Virtual". You will have one virtual Top Level Topic which will
not be shown as top level. His sons (the second level topics) will then be
shown as top level. I think this is the solution for this, isn't it?
-- 
Pavel Janík ml.
Pavel.Janik@linux.cz

Re: Additional to level topic?

[Shenghuo ZHU]

Pavel.Janik@linux.cz (Pavel Janík ml.) writes:

>    From: Shenghuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu>
>    Date: 04 Jun 2000 18:01:54 -0400
> 
> Hi,
> 
>    > It is impossible. Check the variable, gnus-topic-topology, and you
>    > will find why.
> 
> :-) This was the original reason why I'm asking here. I think that this can
> be solved (yes, I think this should be better in Gnus) by defining one
> Topic as "Virtual". You will have one virtual Top Level Topic which will
> not be shown as top level. His sons (the second level topics) will then be
> shown as top level. I think this is the solution for this, isn't it?

Is it much different from showing topic "Gnus"?

Shenghuo

Re: Additional to level topic?

[Pavel Janík ml.]

   From: Shenghuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu>
   Date: 05 Jun 2000 10:30:18 -0400

Hi,

   > > Topic as "Virtual". You will have one virtual Top Level Topic which will
   > > not be shown as top level. His sons (the second level topics) will then be
   > > shown as top level. I think this is the solution for this, isn't it?
   > 
   > Is it much different from showing topic "Gnus"?

yes, because you can have a number of unread (or whatever) articles in the
Topic line and this way, you can not have two (or more) completely
separated hierarchies. A real-world example can be this: imagine you are
storing all outgoing mail to the nnfolder files one per month, you would
like to see them all the time, articles there are unread and are counted as
such in the Topic in which you have them, this count is also in the top
level Topic. So you can have everything read and you still have these big
numbers in the top level Topic all the time. Or is it solvable for normal
users? I can create user-function and count only articles in the
non-archiving groups, but I'm trying to force Gnus usage for non-lispers
here.
-- 
Pavel Janík ml.
Pavel.Janik@linux.cz

Re: Additional to level topic?

[Kai Großjohann]

Hm.  But these people could create two topics under Gnus, and then
train them to never look at the top-level topic.  Would that work?
kai
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Re: Additional to level topic?

[Pavel Janík ml.]

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   From: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann)
   Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:25:35 +0200

Hi,

   > Hm.  But these people could create two topics under Gnus, and then
   > train them to never look at the top-level topic.  Would that work?

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:-) Of course, in fact it works this way right now, but users are not happy
with it.
-- 
Pavel Janík ml.
Pavel.Janik@linux.cz

Re: Additional to level topic?

[Shenghuo ZHU]

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Pavel.Janik@linux.cz (Pavel Janík ml.) writes:


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>    From: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann)
>    Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:25:35 +0200
> 
> Hi,
> 
>    > Hm.  But these people could create two topics under Gnus, and then
>    > train them to never look at the top-level topic.  Would that work?
> 
> :-) Of course, in fact it works this way right now, but users are not happy
> with it.

I just found there is a mechanism to *hide* topic line. But it was
buggy.

Now, you may check out the latest CVS version. Evaluate

    (setcar (cddr (assoc "Gnus" gnus-topic-topology)) 'hidden)

Then, the topic line "Gnus" is hidden.  Is this what you want?

Shenghuo

Re: Additional to level topic?

[Pavel Janík ml.]

   From: Shenghuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu>
   Date: 06 Jun 2000 13:35:55 -0400

Hi,

   > I just found there is a mechanism to *hide* topic line. But it was
   > buggy.
   > 
   > Now, you may check out the latest CVS version. Evaluate
   > 
   >     (setcar (cddr (assoc "Gnus" gnus-topic-topology)) 'hidden)
   > 
   > Then, the topic line "Gnus" is hidden.  Is this what you want?

yes, exactly. Thank you very much :-)
-- 
Pavel Janík ml.
Pavel.Janik@linux.cz

Re: Additional to level topic?

[David S. Goldberg]

For what it's worth, I like having the top-level topic hidden too.
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Re: Additional to level topic?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Shenghuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes:

> I just found there is a mechanism to *hide* topic line. But it was
> buggy.
> 
> Now, you may check out the latest CVS version. Evaluate
> 
>     (setcar (cddr (assoc "Gnus" gnus-topic-topology)) 'hidden)

I've now added a prefix to gnus-topic-hide-topic to make it possible
for users to do this interactively.

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   larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen