Expiring and keeping marks

Expiring and keeping marks

[Jorge Godoy]

Hi,


I use expire to move messages from one folder to another that will
have a backup on CD. The problem is that when a message is expired, it
looses all its marks (specially the read mark), making the folder
appear on the list with unread messages. OK, I can press "c" on that
folder and have all messages marked as read, but it would be much
better if I had to do nothing. 

Is there some way to do that?

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Godoy.     <godoy@ieee.org>

Re: Expiring and keeping marks

[Mike Woolley]

Jorge Godoy <godoy@ieee.org> writes:

> I use expire to move messages from one folder to another that will
> have a backup on CD. The problem is that when a message is expired, it
> looses all its marks (specially the read mark), making the folder
> appear on the list with unread messages. OK, I can press "c" on that
> folder and have all messages marked as read, but it would be much
> better if I had to do nothing. 
> 
> Is there some way to do that?

I posed the same question on the 27th Sept, but unfortunately didn't
get any replies :-)

I'm glad it's not just me who wants to do this...

I had a look at the code (which is in the function
`nnmail-expiry-target-group') and it just deletes the mails from the
group and then adds them to the expiry-target group, which is why they
appear as unread with none of the original marks. Unfortunately, it
wasn't obvious to me how to change it to copy the marks over though...

Cheers,
Mike

Re: Expiring and keeping marks

[Kai Großjohann]

Mike Woolley <mike@ariel.co.uk> writes:

> I had a look at the code (which is in the function
> `nnmail-expiry-target-group') and it just deletes the mails from the
> group and then adds them to the expiry-target group, which is why they
> appear as unread with none of the original marks. Unfortunately, it
> wasn't obvious to me how to change it to copy the marks over though...

Maybe the function can be changed to move the message instead of
doing delete/add.

kai
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Re: Expiring and keeping marks

[Jorge Godoy]

Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> Maybe the function can be changed to move the message instead of
> doing delete/add.

It would help. The idea o copying and deleting at filesystem level
should still be used to avoi problems of moving data between
filesystems. Just moving the entries in .overview and .marks should be
enough. 

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Re: Expiring and keeping marks

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Jorge Godoy <godoy@ieee.org> writes:

> I use expire to move messages from one folder to another that will
> have a backup on CD. The problem is that when a message is expired, it
> looses all its marks (specially the read mark), making the folder
> appear on the list with unread messages. OK, I can press "c" on that
> folder and have all messages marked as read, but it would be much
> better if I had to do nothing. 

The problem is that the expiry move is done from a rather low level --
it's actually implemented in `nn*-request-expire-articles', which has
no concept of article marks at all.  So copying over marks would
probably require lots of hacking around.

(Well, I've looked over the code, and it actually wouldn't be all
that difficult.  The most fiddly bit would be to actually copy over
the marks.  Is there a function pair in Gnus that gets/sets article
marks for arbitrary groups?  I can't recall writing such functions,
but perhaps somebody else have?)

Anyway, I've now made `nnmail-expiry-target-group' mark articles as
read when it copies them over, which is simple enough to do.

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Re: Expiring and keeping marks

[Jorge Godoy]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Anyway, I've now made `nnmail-expiry-target-group' mark articles as
> read when it copies them over, which is simple enough to do.

That's something that will help a lot. I'm going to recompile the CVS
version and give it a try. 

Thanks!

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Godoy.     <godoy@ieee.org>

Re: Expiring and keeping marks

[Jorge Godoy]

Jorge Godoy <godoy@ieee.org> writes:

> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
>
>> Anyway, I've now made `nnmail-expiry-target-group' mark articles as
>> read when it copies them over, which is simple enough to do.
>
> That's something that will help a lot. I'm going to recompile the CVS
> version and give it a try. 

It worked :-)

Now, we only need to maintain other attributes as well :-) (hey! you
said it wouldn't be that difficult :-))

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Godoy.     <godoy@ieee.org>

Re: Expiring and keeping marks

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Jorge Godoy <godoy@ieee.org> writes:

> Now, we only need to maintain other attributes as well :-) (hey! you
> said it wouldn't be that difficult :-))

It isn't difficult if somebody has written functions for
getting/setting marks.  :-)

It doesn't look like anybody has, though...  I can't find anything on
casual inspection.

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Re: Expiring and keeping marks

[Mike Woolley]

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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Jorge Godoy <godoy@ieee.org> writes:
> 
> > Now, we only need to maintain other attributes as well :-) (hey! you
> > said it wouldn't be that difficult :-))
> 
> It isn't difficult if somebody has written functions for
> getting/setting marks.  :-)
> 
> It doesn't look like anybody has, though...  I can't find anything on
> casual inspection.

How about Kai's suggestion of moving the articles, rather than
deleting and adding?

Cheers,
Mike

Re: Expiring and keeping marks

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Mike Woolley <mike@ariel.co.uk> writes:

> How about Kai's suggestion of moving the articles, rather than
> deleting and adding?

The Gnus moving commands seems like it has a quite firm assumption
that it's being run from a summary buffer, so that can't be done
straightforwardly.  Looking over the code, it doesn't even look like
much useful code can be refactored out of that function, since it
looks at the summary newsgroup variables instead of the info marks
lists directly...

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Re: Expiring and keeping marks

[Simon Josefsson]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Jorge Godoy <godoy@ieee.org> writes:
>
>> Now, we only need to maintain other attributes as well :-) (hey! you
>> said it wouldn't be that difficult :-))
>
> It isn't difficult if somebody has written functions for
> getting/setting marks.  :-)
>
> It doesn't look like anybody has, though...  I can't find anything on
> casual inspection.

`gnus-group-mark-article-read' seem to do the right thing regardless
of whether the group is selected or not.  Maybe it could be extended
to arbitrary marks.

Re: Expiring and keeping marks

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:

> `gnus-group-mark-article-read' seem to do the right thing regardless
> of whether the group is selected or not.  Maybe it could be extended
> to arbitrary marks.

Hm, yes...  It looks like it would be a lot of work, though...

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