Posting to foreign news groups

Posting to foreign news groups

[Sten Drescher]

	Is there a way to get Gnus to automatically use a foreign news
server when you are posting to a foreign news group?  It's annoying
when I'm in a group that has a foreign nntp method, but it thinks that
it should post to the native nntp server.  If my native nntp server
had the group, I'd be reading it from there. (;

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Re: Posting to foreign news groups

[Karl Kleinpaste]

Sten Drescher <sten.drescher@tivoli.com> writes:
> Is there a way to get Gnus to automatically use a foreign news
> server when you are posting to a foreign news group?

C-u C-c C-c

Re: Posting to foreign news groups

[Sten Drescher]

>>>>> Karl Kleinpaste writes:

KK> Sten Drescher <sten.drescher@tivoli.com> writes:
>> Is there a way to get Gnus to automatically use a foreign news
>> server when you are posting to a foreign news group?

KK> C-u C-c C-c

	That's not automatic. (;  IMNSHO, C-c C-c should post to the
server the group is being read from, and C-u should be reserved for
when you want to do something other than post to the current server.

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Re: Posting to foreign news groups

[Rich Pieri]

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>>>>> "SD" == Sten Drescher <sten.drescher@tivoli.com> writes:

KK> C-u C-c C-c

SD> 	That's not automatic. (;  IMNSHO, C-c C-c should post to the
SD> server the group is being read from, and C-u should be reserved for
SD> when you want to do something other than post to the current server.

And which server should Gnus post to if you are reading an nnvirtual
group which is comprised of six newsgroups spread over three different
news servers?

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Re: Posting to foreign news groups

[Lars Balker Rasmussen]

Rich Pieri <rich.pieri@PrescientTech.com> writes:
> And which server should Gnus post to if you are reading an nnvirtual
> group which is comprised of six newsgroups spread over three different
> news servers?

Why, the right one, of course! ;-)

nnvirtual groups are special that way.  If it uses more than one server,
let it ask the user what server he wants to post to, or let him set a
default.  The C-u C-c C-c stuff _isn't_ terribly elegant.
-- 
Lars Balker Rasmussen                   <URL:http://www.daimi.aau.dk/~gnort/>

Re: Posting to foreign news groups

[Per Abrahamsen]

Rich Pieri <rich.pieri@PrescientTech.com> writes:

> And which server should Gnus post to if you are reading an nnvirtual
> group which is comprised of six newsgroups spread over three different
> news servers?

How about this rule:  Use the current server to post if it can,
otherwise use the native server.

Re: Posting to foreign news groups

[Sudish Joseph]

Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
> How about this rule:  Use the current server to post if it can,
> otherwise use the native server.

This used to be the way that gnus-post-method worked in ding.  I think
it should be the way it works in rgnus as well.  I wouldn't use a
foreign server if a group was accessible on my native server.  Which
means that I _always_ have to remember to C-u C-c C-c for foreign
groups.  Highly annoying.

Lars, can we change this back to the way it used to be?  I forget the
reason(s) why this was changed.

Also, the bogus message about "posting to this unknown group" is
probably caused by this weird default.  I dunno, but it should go,
IMO.

I don't use nnvirtual anymore, so I don't care about the behaviour
there.

-Sudish

Re: Posting to foreign news groups

[Samuel Tardieu]

>>>>> "Sudish" == Sudish Joseph <sudish@mindspring.com> writes:

Sudish> Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
>> How about this rule: Use the current server to post if it can,
>> otherwise use the native server.

Sudish> This used to be the way that gnus-post-method worked in ding.
Sudish> I think it should be the way it works in rgnus as well.  I
Sudish> wouldn't use a foreign server if a group was accessible on my
Sudish> native server.  Which means that I _always_ have to remember
Sudish> to C-u C-c C-c for foreign groups.  Highly annoying.

Eh, and what happens for people (like me incidentally :-) who use an
alternate gnus-post-method ?

What I've got currently in my .gnus.el is:

(setq gnus-post-method '(nntp "news.enst.fr"))

because the "news.enst.fr" server doesn't work well, so I use it to
post only and read my news from "news.ext.jussieu.fr" which is
read-only.

If "C-c C-c" posts to the current server, then it defeats the purpose
of this variable!

  Sam
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Re: Posting to foreign news groups

[Sudish Joseph]

In article <qw67mn8wsmx.fsf@esmeralda.enst.fr>,
Samuel Tardieu <sam@inf.enst.fr> writes:
> Eh, and what happens for people (like me incidentally :-) who use an
> alternate gnus-post-method ?

> If "C-c C-c" posts to the current server, then it defeats the purpose
> of this variable!

I added that variable way back (around ding-0.10) or so because I had
precisely the same problem as you: the better server was the one I
didn't have posting perms to.  :)  

This is how I'd like C-c C-c to work in nntp groups and how it worked
in early ding (pseudo-something follows): 

(post-to
 (if (foreign-group-p)     ;; (or (and ...) ... ...) if you prefer obscurity
     (current-select-method)
   (or gnus-post-method
       primary-select-method)))

Gnus has all the context information necessary to DWIM, why should I
need to tell it what to do?

-Sudish

Re: Posting to foreign news groups

[Sten Drescher]

>>>>> Rich Pieri writes:

RP> And which server should Gnus post to if you are reading an
RP> nnvirtual group which is comprised of six newsgroups spread over
RP> three different news servers?

	If you're following up to an article, to the one that the
article came from.  If you are posting a new article, clearly there
will have to be one that has precedence.

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Re: Posting to foreign news groups

[Paul Franklin]

>>>>> Karl Kleinpaste writes:

 > Sten Drescher <sten.drescher@tivoli.com> writes:
 >> Is there a way to get Gnus to automatically use a foreign news
 >> server when you are posting to a foreign news group?

 > C-u C-c C-c

(defadvice message-send (before pdf-gnus activate)
  "Reverse meaning of prefix, so default is to post to server being read from."
  (ad-set-arg 0 (not (ad-get-arg 0))))

Of course, you have to turn advice on (it's the first thing in my
..emacs) for this to work.

(setq ad-activate-on-definition t)
(ad-start-advice)

--Paul