Expiration not expiring

Expiration not expiring

[Michael J. Barillier]

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I've got an nnml group with group parameters that look like:

  ((total-expire . t)
   (expiry-wait . 1))

`B e' in the summary buffer doesn't delete read mail, `C-c C-x' in the
group buffer doesn't work, marking all the messages as expirable and
changing `total-expire' to `auto-expire' doesn't work -- seems that
nothing short of wiping the disk will delete the damned messages.
What am I doing wrong?

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Re: Expiration not expiring

[Kai Großjohann]

What happens with "C-u B e" instead of "B e"?
kai
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Re: Expiration not expiring

[Michael J. Barillier]

>>>>> "Kai" == Kai Großjohann <Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE> writes:

    Kai> What happens with "C-u B e" instead of "B e"?

Same thing -- I get a message `Expiring articles...', but still have
the same number of messages in the folder.

I thought I heard mocking laughter coming from the box, but I could be
wrong ... :)

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Re: Expiration not expiring

[Kai Großjohann]

"Michael J. Barillier" <blackwolf@pcisys.net> writes:

>>>>>> "Kai" == Kai Großjohann <Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE> writes:
>
>     Kai> What happens with "C-u B e" instead of "B e"?
>
> Same thing -- I get a message `Expiring articles...', but still have
> the same number of messages in the folder.

Hm.  So the problem is not the code that calculates the time.  Maybe
you can't delete messages at all?

Try using `B <delete>' to delete a message.  Does that work?

kai
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Re: Expiration not expiring

[Michael J. Barillier]

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>>>>> "Kai" == Kai Großjohann <Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE> writes:

    Kai> Hm.  So the problem is not the code that calculates the time.  Maybe
    Kai> you can't delete messages at all?

    Kai> Try using `B <delete>' to delete a message.  Does that work?

I managed to whack the messages -- IIRC I ended up setting all the
messages as expirable and running `gnus-summary-expire-articles-now'.
Still don't know why total-expire wouldn't work on its own.  My plan
is to upgrade to the latest Gnus (I'm currently using 5.9.0) from CVS
and, if I don't see anything getting deleted in a couple of days
(whatever expiry-wait is set to) I'll root through the elisp code with
a debugger and see what's what.

Thanks for your help.

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Re: Expiration not expiring

[Nicolas Kowalski]

"Michael J. Barillier" <blackwolf@pcisys.net> writes:

> `B e' in the summary buffer doesn't delete read mail, `C-c C-x' in the
> group buffer doesn't work, marking all the messages as expirable and
> changing `total-expire' to `auto-expire' doesn't work -- seems that
> nothing short of wiping the disk will delete the damned messages.
> What am I doing wrong?

(Sorry Michael, this message is not an answer...)

I use almost the same setup, and I am facing the same problem,
whatever the backend is (nnimap or nnml). B-<delete> works well.


My expiration definition is :

(setq

 gnus-auto-expirable-newsgroups "^list.\\|^mail."
 nnmail-expiry-wait-function
 (lambda (group)
   (cond 
    ((string-match "^list." group) 7)	          ;; mailing-lists
    ((string-match "^mail.verimag.log" group) 7)  ;; logs
    ((string-match "^mail." group) 31)            ;; others
    (t 'never)))                                  ;; 
)


Nicolas.

Re: Expiration not expiring

[Kai Großjohann]

Nicolas Kowalski <Nicolas.Kowalski@imag.fr> writes:

>     ((string-match "^list." group) 7)	          ;; mailing-lists

Could you verify that the group name is really list.foo and not
nnml:list.foo? 

kai
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[code] Re: Expiration not expiring

[Nicolas Kowalski]

Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> Nicolas Kowalski <Nicolas.Kowalski@imag.fr> writes:
>
>>     ((string-match "^list." group) 7)	          ;; mailing-lists
>
> Could you verify that the group name is really list.foo and not
> nnml:list.foo? 

Yes it is. nnml is my primary select method.

As i wrote in the message (Message-ID:
<vqovgaxth38.fsf@astazou.imag.fr>), the fact is nnml use the
modification time of the file containing an article to decide if it
must run the expiration process on it. As my nmml groups are fairly
recent, modification times of articles do not match the "real" date of
article.

To handle this, I wrote some simple functions (which look and behave
like nnml-generate-nov-database), to make Gnus modify the date
attributes of the files using the message dates, and the `touch' (FSF
version) utility. See below. It worked for me.

Any comment about these ?


;;
;; file: niko-nnml.el
;;
;; Simple functions for modifying time-related file attributes of nnml group
;; articles, based on the contents of these articles.  
;;
;; When a message date field is valid, change the modification time
;; (using touch command) of the file to this date.
;;
;; To use it M-x niko-nnml-generate-mod-time
;;
;; The commands to execute will be written in *niko-output* buffer, or
;; executed immediatly (not recommended) if niko-nnml-mod-time-exec is
;; set to t
;;


(defun niko-date-to-time (date)
  "Parse a string that represents a date-time and return a time value.
If DATE is malformed, returns nil."
  (condition-case ()
      (date-to-time date)
    (error nil)))

(defvar niko-nnml-mod-time-string-format "%Y%m%d%H%M"
  "Format of the string to be given as date argument to touch")

(defvar niko-nnml-mod-time-touch-cmd "touch -c -t"
  "touch program")

(defvar niko-nnml-mod-time-exec nil
  "Set to `t' if you really want to execute touch commands.
If nil, shells commands are stored in the *niko-output* buffer.")



(defun niko-nnml-regenerate-mod-time-for-files (dir files)
  (let* ((niko-buffer (get-buffer-create "*niko-tmp*"))
	 (niko-output-buffer (get-buffer-create "*niko-output*"))
	 (dir (file-name-as-directory dir)))
    (save-excursion
      (set-buffer niko-output-buffer)
      (while files
	(unless (file-directory-p (setq file (concat dir (cdar files))))
	  (set-buffer niko-buffer)
	  (erase-buffer)
	  (nnheader-insert-file-contents file)
	  (let* ((article-tmp-time (niko-date-to-time (message-fetch-field "Date")))
		 (article-time (if (eq nil article-tmp-time)
				   (nth 5 (file-attributes file))
				 article-tmp-time))
		 (cmd (concat niko-nnml-mod-time-touch-cmd " "
			      (format-time-string 
			       niko-nnml-mod-time-string-format
			       article-time)
			      " "
			      file
			      "\n")))
	    (set-buffer niko-output-buffer)
	    (point-max)
	    (if niko-nnml-mod-time-exec
		(shell-command cmd niko-output-buffer)
	      (insert cmd)
	      )
	    )
	  )
	(setq files (cdr files))
	)
      )
    )
  )


;;;###autoload
(defun niko-nnml-generate-mod-time (&optional server)
  "Generate articles modification times in all nnml directories."
  (interactive (list (or (nnoo-current-server 'nnml) "")))
  ;; Read the active file to make sure we don't re-use articles
  ;; numbers in empty groups.
  (nnmail-activate 'nnml)
  (unless (nnml-server-opened server)
    (nnml-open-server server))
  (setq nnml-directory (expand-file-name nnml-directory))
  ;; Recurse down the directories.
  (niko-nnml-generate-mod-time-1 nnml-directory nil t)
  )

(defun niko-nnml-generate-mod-time-1 (dir &optional seen no-active)
  "Regenerate the articles modification times in DIR."
  (interactive "DRegenerate mod-time in: ")
  (setq dir (file-name-as-directory dir))
  ;; Only scan this sub-tree if we haven't been here yet.
  (unless (member (file-truename dir) seen)
    (push (file-truename dir) seen)
    ;; We descend recursively
    (let ((dirs (directory-files dir t nil t))
	  dir)
      (while (setq dir (pop dirs))
	(when (and (not (string-match "^\\." (file-name-nondirectory dir)))
		   (file-directory-p dir))
	  (niko-nnml-generate-mod-time-1 dir seen))))
    ;; Do this directory.
    (let ((files (sort (nnheader-article-to-file-alist dir)
		       'car-less-than-car)))
      (if (not files)
	  (let* ((group (nnheader-file-to-group
			 (directory-file-name dir) nnml-directory))
		 (info (cadr (assoc group nnml-group-alist))))
	    (when info
	      (setcar info (1+ (cdr info)))))
	;; Generate the mod-time
	(niko-nnml-regenerate-mod-time-for-files dir files)
	))))



(provide 'niko-nnml)

Re: Expiration not expiring

[Nicolas Kowalski]

"Michael J. Barillier" <blackwolf@pcisys.net> writes:

> `B e' in the summary buffer doesn't delete read mail, `C-c C-x' in the
> group buffer doesn't work, marking all the messages as expirable and
> changing `total-expire' to `auto-expire' doesn't work -- seems that
> nothing short of wiping the disk will delete the damned messages.
> What am I doing wrong?

Look at the modification times of the files in your nnml group. This
backend use them during the expiration process. It does not use the
date included in articles.

My problem was (in fact this is not a problem) that the nnml groups
are fairly recent (built a few days ago from nnfolder archives).

Nicolas.