* nnml fetching mail, unwanted
@ 2002-01-18 16:19 Nicolas Kowalski
2002-01-18 16:24 ` Karl Kleinpaste
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From: Nicolas Kowalski @ 2002-01-18 16:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hello.
Recently (few hours ago) I created a nnml group `edit' for editing
mail messages. I use it to delete attachments for example.
But then I could not see any new messages in my INBOX (nnimap
backend). I finally found that nnml was retrieving all my new mail
messages in one group named `mail.misc'. I have no mail-sources
defined, of course.
What is wrong ?
Thanks in advance,
Nicolas.
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* Re: nnml fetching mail, unwanted
2002-01-18 16:19 nnml fetching mail, unwanted Nicolas Kowalski
@ 2002-01-18 16:24 ` Karl Kleinpaste
2002-01-18 16:35 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-01-18 16:39 ` Nicolas Kowalski
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From: Karl Kleinpaste @ 2002-01-18 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
Nicolas Kowalski <Nicolas.Kowalski@imag.fr> writes:
> I finally found that nnml was retrieving all my new mail
> messages in one group named `mail.misc'.
See variable `nnml-get-new-mail' in info://Gnus/Mail+Spool.
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* Re: nnml fetching mail, unwanted
2002-01-18 16:24 ` Karl Kleinpaste
@ 2002-01-18 16:35 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-01-18 16:52 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-01-18 17:25 ` ShengHuo ZHU
2002-01-18 16:39 ` Nicolas Kowalski
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From: Simon Josefsson @ 2002-01-18 16:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Karl Kleinpaste <karl@charcoal.com> writes:
> Nicolas Kowalski <Nicolas.Kowalski@imag.fr> writes: > I finally
>found that nnml was retrieving all my new mail > messages in one
>group named `mail.misc'.
>
> See variable `nnml-get-new-mail' in info://Gnus/Mail+Spool.
But if mail-sources is empty, shouldn't Gnus never get new mail?
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* Re: nnml fetching mail, unwanted
2002-01-18 16:24 ` Karl Kleinpaste
2002-01-18 16:35 ` Simon Josefsson
@ 2002-01-18 16:39 ` Nicolas Kowalski
2002-01-24 22:03 ` Paul Jarc
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From: Nicolas Kowalski @ 2002-01-18 16:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Karl Kleinpaste <karl@charcoal.com> writes:
> Nicolas Kowalski <Nicolas.Kowalski@imag.fr> writes:
>> I finally found that nnml was retrieving all my new mail
>> messages in one group named `mail.misc'.
>
> See variable `nnml-get-new-mail' in info://Gnus/Mail+Spool.
I see. I can also see that nnfolder backend also defines such a
variable (nnfolder-get-new-mail)., which is also `t'.
Are all mail backends setup by default for retrieving mail, even if
mail-sources is nil ?
Nicolas.
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* Re: nnml fetching mail, unwanted
2002-01-18 16:35 ` Simon Josefsson
@ 2002-01-18 16:52 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-01-18 17:32 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-01-18 17:25 ` ShengHuo ZHU
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From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-01-18 16:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:
> But if mail-sources is empty, shouldn't Gnus never get new mail?
I think that Gnus uses nnmail-spool-file in that case? Or has this
compat code been deleted already?
kai
--
Simplification good! Oversimplification bad! (Larry Wall)
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* Re: nnml fetching mail, unwanted
2002-01-18 16:35 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-01-18 16:52 ` Kai Großjohann
@ 2002-01-18 17:25 ` ShengHuo ZHU
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From: ShengHuo ZHU @ 2002-01-18 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:
> Karl Kleinpaste <karl@charcoal.com> writes:
>
>> Nicolas Kowalski <Nicolas.Kowalski@imag.fr> writes: > I finally
>> found that nnml was retrieving all my new mail > messages in one
>> group named `mail.misc'.
>>
>> See variable `nnml-get-new-mail' in info://Gnus/Mail+Spool.
>
> But if mail-sources is empty, shouldn't Gnus never get new mail?
If mail-sources is nil, nnmail-spool-file is used due to backward
compatibility.
ShengHuo
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* Re: nnml fetching mail, unwanted
2002-01-18 16:52 ` Kai Großjohann
@ 2002-01-18 17:32 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-01-18 17:48 ` Nicolas Kowalski
2002-01-18 20:12 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Simon Josefsson @ 2002-01-18 17:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Karl Kleinpaste, ding
Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
> Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:
>
>> But if mail-sources is empty, shouldn't Gnus never get new mail?
>
> I think that Gnus uses nnmail-spool-file in that case? Or has
> this compat code been deleted already?
No, it's still there (which seems like a good idea). But it
shouldn't fetch mail from a IMAP server into nnml just because you
have a nnimap server present. Weird. I suggest M-x gnus-bug RET
so we can see any customizations.
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* Re: nnml fetching mail, unwanted
2002-01-18 17:32 ` Simon Josefsson
@ 2002-01-18 17:48 ` Nicolas Kowalski
2002-01-18 20:12 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Nicolas Kowalski @ 2002-01-18 17:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Karl Kleinpaste, ding
Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:
> Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>
>> Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:
>>
>>> But if mail-sources is empty, shouldn't Gnus never get new mail?
>>
>> I think that Gnus uses nnmail-spool-file in that case? Or has this
>> compat code been deleted already?
>
> No, it's still there (which seems like a good idea). But it shouldn't
> fetch mail from a IMAP server into nnml just because you have a nnimap
> server present. Weird. I suggest M-x gnus-bug RET so we can see any
> customizations.
Setting nnmail-spool-file to nil seems to do the trick.
Perhaps this should be set automatically when specifying a nnimap
backend ?
Nicolas.
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* Re: nnml fetching mail, unwanted
2002-01-18 17:32 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-01-18 17:48 ` Nicolas Kowalski
@ 2002-01-18 20:12 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-01-19 10:32 ` Nicolas Kowalski
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From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-01-18 20:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:
> No, it's still there (which seems like a good idea). But it shouldn't
> fetch mail from a IMAP server into nnml just because you have a nnimap
> server present. Weird. I suggest M-x gnus-bug RET so we can see any
> customizations.
I think it didn't fetch from the IMAP server. Instead, it fetched
from /var/mail/jrl, which also happened to be the IMAP inbox because
UoW was running or something like this. Just a guess...
kai
--
Simplification good! Oversimplification bad! (Larry Wall)
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* Re: nnml fetching mail, unwanted
2002-01-18 20:12 ` Kai Großjohann
@ 2002-01-19 10:32 ` Nicolas Kowalski
2002-01-19 11:23 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Nicolas Kowalski @ 2002-01-19 10:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Karl Kleinpaste, ding
Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
> Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:
>
>> No, it's still there (which seems like a good idea). But it shouldn't
>> fetch mail from a IMAP server into nnml just because you have a nnimap
>> server present. Weird. I suggest M-x gnus-bug RET so we can see any
>> customizations.
>
> I think it didn't fetch from the IMAP server. Instead, it fetched
> from /var/mail/jrl, which also happened to be the IMAP inbox because
> UoW was running or something like this. Just a guess...
That's it : I configured things for the lab to provide several methods
for fetching mail : standard spool on /var/spool/mail (NFS share),
POP3 and IMAP4.
Nicolas.
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* Re: nnml fetching mail, unwanted
2002-01-19 10:32 ` Nicolas Kowalski
@ 2002-01-19 11:23 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-01-21 9:10 ` Nicolas Kowalski
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From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-01-19 11:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Karl Kleinpaste, ding
Nicolas Kowalski <Nicolas.Kowalski@imag.fr> writes:
> Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>
>> Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:
>>
>>> No, it's still there (which seems like a good idea). But it shouldn't
>>> fetch mail from a IMAP server into nnml just because you have a nnimap
>>> server present. Weird. I suggest M-x gnus-bug RET so we can see any
>>> customizations.
>>
>> I think it didn't fetch from the IMAP server. Instead, it fetched
>> from /var/mail/jrl, which also happened to be the IMAP inbox because
>> UoW was running or something like this. Just a guess...
>
> That's it : I configured things for the lab to provide several methods
> for fetching mail : standard spool on /var/spool/mail (NFS share),
> POP3 and IMAP4.
Gnus has been fetching mail automatically from /var/mail/jrl for so
many years -- do you think it's a good idea to turn that off now?
Just for the record: I have Gnus fetch from /var/mail/jrl and I also
use nnimap; but my IMAP inbox is not in /var/mail/jrl. So the
current Gnus behavior is fine for me.
Thoughts?
kai
--
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* Re: nnml fetching mail, unwanted
2002-01-19 11:23 ` Kai Großjohann
@ 2002-01-21 9:10 ` Nicolas Kowalski
2002-01-21 12:10 ` Simon Josefsson
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From: Nicolas Kowalski @ 2002-01-21 9:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Karl Kleinpaste, ding
Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
> Gnus has been fetching mail automatically from /var/mail/jrl for so
> many years -- do you think it's a good idea to turn that off now?
Gnus had no way to see that my IMAP inbox is the same than
/var/mail/kowalski, OK. I had no way (other than posting to this list)
to known that Gnus would fetch mail automatically when using some mail
backends, without mail-sources.
What I think is that of course Gnus should keep its years old
behaviour, and that a bit of documentation in the IMAP node should
mention it.
Nicolas.
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* Re: nnml fetching mail, unwanted
2002-01-21 9:10 ` Nicolas Kowalski
@ 2002-01-21 12:10 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-01-21 12:48 ` Nicolas Kowalski
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From: Simon Josefsson @ 2002-01-21 12:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Nicolas Kowalski wrote:
> > Gnus has been fetching mail automatically from /var/mail/jrl for so
> > many years -- do you think it's a good idea to turn that off now?
>
> Gnus had no way to see that my IMAP inbox is the same than
> /var/mail/kowalski, OK. I had no way (other than posting to this list)
> to known that Gnus would fetch mail automatically when using some mail
> backends, without mail-sources.
The `nnmail-spool-file' variable is mentioned in the manual in the
sections about mail sources. Perhaps you can suggest improved text? I
guess it could say that the default for `nnmail-spool-file' actually IS to
fetch mail from your local mail spool. Hm.
> What I think is that of course Gnus should keep its years old
> behaviour, and that a bit of documentation in the IMAP node should
> mention it.
Can you suggest text? I'm afraid I don't understand what this has to do
with IMAP at all, the problem (as I understood it) was that Gnus fetched
mail from /var/spool/mail when you added a nnml backend.
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* Re: nnml fetching mail, unwanted
2002-01-21 12:10 ` Simon Josefsson
@ 2002-01-21 12:48 ` Nicolas Kowalski
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From: Nicolas Kowalski @ 2002-01-21 12:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:
> The `nnmail-spool-file' variable is mentioned in the manual in the
> sections about mail sources. Perhaps you can suggest improved text? I
> guess it could say that the default for `nnmail-spool-file' actually IS to
> fetch mail from your local mail spool. Hm.
Argh. I did not read carefully this section. Silly me :-|. And no, I
have nothing for improving this text ; it is quite clear once you have
read it.
> Can you suggest text? I'm afraid I don't understand what this has to do
> with IMAP at all, the problem (as I understood it) was that Gnus fetched
> mail from /var/spool/mail when you added a nnml backend.
You are right. This has nothing to do with IMAP.
Nicolas.
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* Re: nnml fetching mail, unwanted
2002-01-18 16:39 ` Nicolas Kowalski
@ 2002-01-24 22:03 ` Paul Jarc
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From: Paul Jarc @ 2002-01-24 22:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
Nicolas Kowalski <Nicolas.Kowalski@imag.fr> wrote:
> Are all mail backends setup by default for retrieving mail,
All nnmail-derived backends, I think. But nnmaildir's get-new-mail
server parameter defaults to nil.
paul
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