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From: "François Pinard" <pinard@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Jason R Mastaler <jason@4b.org>,
	joda@pdc.kth.se (Johan Danielsson),
	"(ding) Gnus Mailing List" <ding@gnus.org>,
	XEmacs Beta Discussion List <xemacs-beta-discuss@xemacs.org>,
	Alain La Bonté <alb@riq.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: gnus date suggestion
Date: 08 Feb 1998 20:13:16 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <vrafc1y40j.fsf@raptor.IRO.UMontreal.CA> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Kyle Jones's message of "1998-02-08 15:09:34 -05:00 (EST)"

Kyle Jones <kyle_jones@wonderworks.com> écrit:

> I'm sure that I've lost track of the point of this discussion.
> François, what exactly are you advocating?

Not much: that we stay open minded to writing of international dates,
use all opportunities we get to switch, and always be careful to *also*
recognise international dates wherever software parse dates.

It would also be nice if software was offering to display dates as
ISO dates, would it imply a conversion at display time.  A `Wash Dates'
feature, in Gnus terms :-).  People could write and see ISO dates, and soon
consider American dates as some Quoted-Printable equivalent for dates :-).

Jason R Mastaler <jason@4b.org> écrit:

> Please be kind enough to followup to these discussions more frequently
> than every two or three months.

I surely would if I had more free time, yet there is no emergency to do
it all in a rush.  Those things take time, anyway.  Most of the work to do
is of human nature, for us to get more aware.  As for technical problems,
they are fairly easy to solve, at least within the free software world.

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> écrit:

> Sure.  But we have a situation where all current software supports
> RFC822 Date headers, and parsing those headers aren't all that difficult.

Parsing by software?  Yes, no problem there.  Parsed by a human, it stays
awkward for many non-Americans.  ISO 8601 is not only more logically
organised, it also does not impose English words or abbreviations.

> However, it does not therefore follow that one should try to redesign
> most of the common universe for little real gain.

Software, and Gnus is a good example of this, is often made up of
myriads of accumulated details, many of which not being that important
by themselves.  However, driven by a unifying spirit with a vision,
such accumulation may yield tremendous results.  Internationalisation is
somewhat similar.  Details are only important through their accumulation.
ISO 8601 is a notable detail in this picture, and not a difficult one.

-- 
François Pinard                            mailto:pinard@iro.umontreal.ca
Join the free Translation Project!    http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~pinard


  reply	other threads:[~1998-02-09  1:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-01-12 19:12 Jason R. Mastaler
1997-01-12 22:07 ` David Moore
1997-01-15  1:09   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1997-05-01 14:21   ` Jason R. Mastaler
1997-05-01 21:30     ` François Pinard
1997-05-03  4:17       ` Jason R. Mastaler
1997-05-03 14:53         ` François Pinard
1997-05-03 15:13           ` Hrvoje Niksic
1997-05-03 16:41             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1997-05-05  6:45               ` Steinar Bang
1997-05-08 12:39                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1997-05-03 17:31             ` Jason R. Mastaler
1997-08-05 23:07             ` François Pinard
     [not found]               ` <x73eooi146.fsf@peorth.gweep.net>
1997-08-08  5:43                 ` Greg Stark
1997-05-03 15:35           ` Johan Danielsson
1997-08-05 22:59             ` François Pinard
1997-08-06 23:11               ` Kyle Jones
1997-08-07 16:32                 ` Johan Danielsson
1997-10-21 14:04                 ` François Pinard
1997-10-21 19:03                   ` Jason R Mastaler
1997-10-21 19:59                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
1998-02-08 19:06                     ` François Pinard
1998-02-08 19:55                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-02-08 20:09                       ` Kyle Jones
1998-02-09  1:13                         ` François Pinard [this message]
1998-02-09 10:06                           ` Per Abrahamsen
1998-02-09 15:31                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-02-08 22:53                       ` Jason R Mastaler
1998-02-09  3:49                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
1998-02-09 15:49                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1997-05-03  8:14       ` David Moore
1997-05-04  0:00       ` Ken Raeburn
1997-05-02  4:53     ` Paul Graham
1997-05-02  5:17       ` Jason R. Mastaler
1997-05-03  8:19     ` David Moore
1997-05-03  8:40       ` Steven L Baur
1997-05-03  9:15         ` Hrvoje Niksic
1997-05-03  8:58       ` Per Abrahamsen

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