Score help...

Score help...

[Norman Walsh]

I'm missing something about scoring. I have the following in my
all.SCORE file:

(("extra"
  ("YES" -1000 nil e "X-Spam-Flag"))
 (mark -500))

I've added 'X-Spam-Flag' to my extra headers:

(setq gnus-extra-headers '(To Cc Newsgroups Keywords X-Spam-Flag)
      nnmail-extra-headers gnus-extra-headers)

and I rebuilt the nnml NOV databases.

But when new mail arrives, even though it has a X-Spam-Flag header
with the value YES, `V S' still says it has a score of 0.

Am I forgetting to turn something on to run scoring every time I enter
a group or something?

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

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                              | wickedness.--Italo Svevo

Re: Score help...

[Kai Großjohann]

Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:

> (("extra"
>   ("YES" -1000 nil e "X-Spam-Flag"))
>  (mark -500))

This doesn't look like the correct format.  Hm.  In the first
position, it seems you should put one of the allowed headers, or
"Head" or "Body" or "All", or something.

The "extra" thing is a symbol that goes in the fourth element, no?

But the help is less than clear on this.

kai
-- 
Silence is foo!

Re: Score help...

[Norman Walsh]

/ Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) was heard to say:
| Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:
|
|> (("extra"
|>   ("YES" -1000 nil e "X-Spam-Flag"))
|>  (mark -500))
|
| This doesn't look like the correct format.  Hm.  In the first
| position, it seems you should put one of the allowed headers, or
| "Head" or "Body" or "All", or something.
|
| The "extra" thing is a symbol that goes in the fourth element, no?

Well, this is what M-i a L ... etc. created. But if the format is wrong,
that'd explain why it doesn't work :-)

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

-- 
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | Debugging is 99% complete most of the
http://nwalsh.com/            | time--Fred Brooks, jr.

Re: Score help...

[Kai Großjohann]

Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:

> Well, this is what M-i a L ... etc. created. But if the format is wrong,
> that'd explain why it doesn't work :-)

Hm.  The "extra" looks fishy.  But what do I know -- I don't grok
scoring.

kai
-- 
Silence is foo!

.overview parsing bug? [was Re: Score help...]

[Norman Walsh]

/ Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) was heard to say:
| Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:
|
|> Well, this is what M-i a L ... etc. created. But if the format is wrong,
|> that'd explain why it doesn't work :-)
|
| Hm.  The "extra" looks fishy.  But what do I know -- I don't grok
| scoring.

Actually, I think it's a different bug. I entered my 'misc.spam'
folder this morning and found that *some* messages were correctly
scored. Digging through my .overview file, I find that if the
X-Spam-Flag header is listed last on the .overview line, the score
rule applies. Otherwise it doesn't.

So, message 3359 was scored:

3359	(none)	tuffy@glay.org	Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:43:54 -0800	<87d6wi7pi5.fsf@totally-fudged-out-message-id>		1635	43	Xref: nwalsh.com misc.spam:3359 archive.2002-04:21260	X-Spam-Flag: YES	

But message 3361 was not:

3361	FREE Home Equity Quotes! SAVE HUGE TODAY!!      II                1681	bigloans2002@yahoo.com	Sun, 28 Apr 2002 23:08:58 -1700	<00002de824b7$00006854$000001ab@mx1.mail.yahoo.com>		10467	284	Xref: nwalsh.com misc.spam:3361 archive.2002-04:21279	X-Spam-Flag: YES	To: <Undisclosed.Recipients@localhost.localdomain>	

I'm using exact matching and gnus from CVS yesterday.

This looks like a different sort of bug...

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

-- 
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | On the other hand, you have different
http://nwalsh.com/            | fingers.

Re: .overview parsing bug? [was Re: Score help...]

[Karl Kleinpaste]

Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:
> This looks like a different sort of bug...

Experiment with changing the scoring type to substring.

Re: .overview parsing bug? [was Re: Score help...]

[Norman Walsh]

/ Karl Kleinpaste <karl@charcoal.com> was heard to say:
| Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:
|> This looks like a different sort of bug...
|
| Experiment with changing the scoring type to substring.

Yes, that works.

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

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Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | Mankind are always happy for having
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                              | happy now, you make them happy twenty
                              | years hence by the memory of
                              | it.--Sydney Smith

Re: Score help...

[Karl Kleinpaste]

Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:
>| This doesn't look like the correct format.  Hm.  In the first
>| position, it seems you should put one of the allowed headers, or
>| "Head" or "Body" or "All", or something.
>| The "extra" thing is a symbol that goes in the fourth element, no?

> Well, this is what M-i a L ... etc. created. But if the format is wrong,
> that'd explain why it doesn't work :-)

No, that's correct.

"extra" scoring is another class of scoring.  The header name to be
scored is a (new) 5th element in the score entry in "extra" cases.
This has been in Gnus since sometime in 1998, I think, though I fixed
an annoying string-matching bug just a few months ago.

It's possible that `e'xact scoring is doing something wrong in the
context of extra header scoring -- perhaps the whitespace between
header and content has not been handled properly.  You might try
changing the score entry to a `s'ubstring match instead, and see if
that works.  If so, I'll figure out what's wrong with the "exact" case
and fix it.