archive group wierdness with 0.39

archive group wierdness with 0.39

[Greg Thompson]

i'm seeing some archive group wierdness.  all of the variables have
been at their defaults.  how's this stuff supposed to work?  prior to
0.39, i think archive stuff was going into Mail/misc-* files.  some
Mail/archive/misc-* files were created when i first upgraded from 5.1
to sgnus 0.30 last month, but they weren't actually used more than
once or something.  i never did figure that one out, but things seemed
to stabilize after a day or two.  now they've changed again.  the last
few things i've sent have gone into Mail/archive/misc-* files.  so
what the heck is going on?  how are these supposed to work?

ls -AlR Mail
total 96
-rw-rw-r--   1 gregt    dsgrp         82 Feb 20 09:48 active
drwxrwxr-x   2 gregt    dsgrp        512 Feb 20 10:03 archive/
-rw-rw-r--   1 gregt    dsgrp      31241 Feb 16 13:19 misc-mail
-rw-rw-r--   1 gregt    dsgrp      14741 Feb 14 11:55 misc-news
Mail/archive:
total 16
-rw-rw-r--   1 gregt    dsgrp         32 Feb 20 09:57 active
-rw-rw-r--   1 gregt    dsgrp       2221 Feb 20 09:49 misc-mail
-rw-rw-r--   1 gregt    dsgrp       3149 Feb 20 09:57 misc-news

here's the Mail/active file:
misc-mail 13 1 y
archive.misc-news 0 1 y
archive.misc-mail 0 1 y
misc-news 19 1 y

and the Mail/archive/active file:
misc-mail 2 2 y
misc-news 3 1 y
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Re: archive group wierdness with 0.39

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

gregt@visix.com (Greg Thompson) writes:

> i'm seeing some archive group wierdness.  all of the variables have
> been at their defaults.  how's this stuff supposed to work?  prior to
> 0.39, i think archive stuff was going into Mail/misc-* files.  some
> Mail/archive/misc-* files were created when i first upgraded from 5.1
> to sgnus 0.30 last month, but they weren't actually used more than
> once or something.  i never did figure that one out, but things seemed
> to stabilize after a day or two.  now they've changed again.  the last
> few things i've sent have gone into Mail/archive/misc-* files.  so
> what the heck is going on?  how are these supposed to work?

The archive group should now work as advertised -- the archive folders
are placed in "~/Mail/archive/".  If you had any old archive groups,
you should kill them and let Gnus re-create the new (proper) ones.
They now have names like "nnfolder+archive:misc-mail" (etc) to use
separate name spaces from normal nnfolder groups.

-- 
  "Yes.  The journey through the human heart 
     would have to wait until some other time."

Re: archive group wierdness with 0.39

[Jack Vinson]

>>>>> "LMI" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

LMI> The archive group should now work as advertised -- the archive folders
LMI> are placed in "~/Mail/archive/".  If you had any old archive groups,
LMI> you should kill them and let Gnus re-create the new (proper) ones.
LMI> They now have names like "nnfolder+archive:misc-mail" (etc) to use
LMI> separate name spaces from normal nnfolder groups.

I started sending news and mail before I realized this was happening.  As a
result, I have misc-mail and misc-news folders in both ~/Mail/ and
~/Mail/archive/.  So, I figure I should be able to simply move the articles
from the one archive into the other:
	Enter nnfolder:misc-mail
	Mark all articles with #
	B m to nnfolder+archive:misc-mail

However, this ends up stuffing the articles right back into Mail/misc-mail,
rather than into Mail/archive/misc-mail.  It sounds like something is
broken to me.


I would like to say, however, that this (sgnus 0.39) is the first time that
I recall actually seeing messages show up in the archive groups, whether
they are in the old ones or the new ones.  I was relieved to find an old
letter I sent which had some stunning prose.

-- 
Jack Vinson - - -  jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu      Sunderland, MA
<http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~vinson/home.html>
"Jesus rides beside me. He never buys any smokes"   The Replacements

Re: archive group wierdness with 0.39

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu (Jack Vinson) writes:

> I started sending news and mail before I realized this was happening.  As a
> result, I have misc-mail and misc-news folders in both ~/Mail/ and
> ~/Mail/archive/.  So, I figure I should be able to simply move the articles
> from the one archive into the other:
> 	Enter nnfolder:misc-mail
> 	Mark all articles with #
> 	B m to nnfolder+archive:misc-mail
> 
> However, this ends up stuffing the articles right back into Mail/misc-mail,
> rather than into Mail/archive/misc-mail.  It sounds like something is
> broken to me.

The old archive groups are broken.  You should just kill them off and
try to forget they have ever existed.  

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Re: archive group wierdness with 0.39

[Jack Vinson]

>>>>> "LMI" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

LMI> The old archive groups are broken.  You should just kill them off and
LMI> try to forget they have ever existed.  

Great.  What do I do with old archived mail and news?

Jack Vinson

Re: archive group wierdness with 0.39

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu (Jack Vinson) writes:

> LMI> The old archive groups are broken.  You should just kill them off and
> LMI> try to forget they have ever existed.  
> 
> Great.  What do I do with old archived mail and news?

Read them with nndoc and move them over to the archive server. 

-- 
  "Yes.  The journey through the human heart 
     would have to wait until some other time."