* sendmail -f: evil or not?
@ 1999-12-06 17:31 Hrvoje Niksic
2000-04-21 19:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Hrvoje Niksic @ 1999-12-06 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
My mails come out with an "authentication warning" header that says:
X-Authentication-Warning: mraz.iskon.hr: hniksic set sender to hniksic@iskon.hr using -f
Why is sendmail complaining? I was told I should set myself a
"trusted user", but I don't understand why I should be required to do
so. I guess I could set `message-sendmail-f-is-evil' to t, but I'm
not sure if I want to do that.
So what's supposed to happen here? Why does Gnus use `-f' by default,
and why doesn't my sendmail like it?
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* Re: sendmail -f: evil or not?
1999-12-06 17:31 sendmail -f: evil or not? Hrvoje Niksic
@ 2000-04-21 19:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2000-04-22 13:34 ` Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2000-04-21 19:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@iskon.hr> writes:
> So what's supposed to happen here? Why does Gnus use `-f' by default,
> and why doesn't my sendmail like it?
Gnus uses -f for hysterical raisins -- some installations require it,
and almost none choke on it, although a bunch will throw warnings at
you.
If it gives you a warning, you should probably switch it off.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: sendmail -f: evil or not?
2000-04-21 19:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2000-04-22 13:34 ` Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]
2000-04-22 18:18 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor] @ 2000-04-22 13:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
Lars> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@iskon.hr> writes:
>> So what's supposed to happen here? Why does Gnus use `-f' by default,
>> and why doesn't my sendmail like it?
Lars> Gnus uses -f for hysterical raisins -- some installations require it,
Lars> and almost none choke on it, although a bunch will throw warnings at
Lars> you.
I don't get it: -f means Gnus assumes the sendmail installation is
buggy. However, in most setups (which use a mail domain different
from the local hostname), Gnus passes the *wrong* argument to sendmail
-f in absence of further configuration of `user-mail-address'.
-f should be off by default.
--
Cheers =8-} Mike
Friede, Völkerverständigung und überhaupt blabla
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* Re: sendmail -f: evil or not?
2000-04-22 13:34 ` Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]
@ 2000-04-22 18:18 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2000-04-23 0:19 ` Russ Allbery
2000-04-23 7:51 ` Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2000-04-22 18:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]) writes:
> I don't get it: -f means Gnus assumes the sendmail installation is
> buggy. However, in most setups (which use a mail domain different
> from the local hostname), Gnus passes the *wrong* argument to sendmail
> -f in absence of further configuration of `user-mail-address'.
It's what Pine does, so it must be right. :-)
I can flip the default if that would help.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: sendmail -f: evil or not?
2000-04-22 18:18 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2000-04-23 0:19 ` Russ Allbery
2000-04-23 9:58 ` Florian Weimer
2000-04-23 7:51 ` Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]
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From: Russ Allbery @ 2000-04-23 0:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Sperber) writes:
>> I don't get it: -f means Gnus assumes the sendmail installation is
>> buggy. However, in most setups (which use a mail domain different from
>> the local hostname), Gnus passes the *wrong* argument to sendmail -f in
>> absence of further configuration of `user-mail-address'.
> It's what Pine does, so it must be right. :-)
> I can flip the default if that would help.
However you go with this, I'd really prefer to have Gnus use -f if a
specific user-mail-address is set. I'd rather have my envelope sender set
to the address that matches my current "personality"; I really like that
feature.
So as long as it's easy for me to turn that on....
--
Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
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* Re: sendmail -f: evil or not?
2000-04-22 18:18 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2000-04-23 0:19 ` Russ Allbery
@ 2000-04-23 7:51 ` Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]
2000-04-23 7:57 ` Russ Allbery
2000-04-24 20:50 ` Amos Gouaux
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From: Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor] @ 2000-04-23 7:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
Lars> sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]) writes:
>> I don't get it: -f means Gnus assumes the sendmail installation is
>> buggy. However, in most setups (which use a mail domain different
>> from the local hostname), Gnus passes the *wrong* argument to sendmail
>> -f in absence of further configuration of `user-mail-address'.
Lars> It's what Pine does, so it must be right. :-)
Don't get me started on Pine ... :-)
Lars> I can flip the default if that would help.
It would!
--
Cheers =8-} Mike
Friede, Völkerverständigung und überhaupt blabla
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* Re: sendmail -f: evil or not?
2000-04-23 7:51 ` Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]
@ 2000-04-23 7:57 ` Russ Allbery
2000-04-25 0:58 ` Stephen Zander
2000-04-24 20:50 ` Amos Gouaux
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From: Russ Allbery @ 2000-04-23 7:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
Michael Sperber <sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> writes:
>>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> Lars> It's what Pine does, so it must be right. :-)
> Don't get me started on Pine ... :-)
We hates it, we do... hates it forever.
--
Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
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* Re: sendmail -f: evil or not?
2000-04-23 0:19 ` Russ Allbery
@ 2000-04-23 9:58 ` Florian Weimer
2000-04-23 17:38 ` Rupa Schomaker
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From: Florian Weimer @ 2000-04-23 9:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu> writes:
> However you go with this, I'd really prefer to have Gnus use -f if a
> specific user-mail-address is set. I'd rather have my envelope sender set
> to the address that matches my current "personality"; I really like that
> feature.
Well, I'd like to see Gnus to use a magic header in the outgoing
message to set "-f" parameter. This can be useful if you're
subscribed to several closed mailing lists with different addresses.
If there aren't any objections, I'm going to implement it.
BTW: Russ, did you ever get my message about the INN/reiserfs bug?
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* Re: sendmail -f: evil or not?
2000-04-23 9:58 ` Florian Weimer
@ 2000-04-23 17:38 ` Rupa Schomaker
2000-04-23 20:13 ` Florian Weimer
2000-04-24 0:47 ` Russ Allbery
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From: Rupa Schomaker @ 2000-04-23 17:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.cygnus.argh.org> writes:
> Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu> writes:
>
> > However you go with this, I'd really prefer to have Gnus use -f if a
> > specific user-mail-address is set. I'd rather have my envelope sender set
> > to the address that matches my current "personality"; I really like that
> > feature.
>
> Well, I'd like to see Gnus to use a magic header in the outgoing
> message to set "-f" parameter. This can be useful if you're
> subscribed to several closed mailing lists with different addresses.
>
> If there aren't any objections, I'm going to implement it.
This is already done using posting-styles and address. Though I
suppose there can be other ways to do it...
--
-rupa
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* Re: sendmail -f: evil or not?
2000-04-23 17:38 ` Rupa Schomaker
@ 2000-04-23 20:13 ` Florian Weimer
2000-04-24 0:47 ` Russ Allbery
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From: Florian Weimer @ 2000-04-23 20:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
Rupa Schomaker <rupa-list+gnus@rupa.com> writes:
> This is already done using posting-styles and address. Though I
> suppose there can be other ways to do it...
Ah, I see. Thanks. The last time I looked at this feature,
I had to instruct someone by phone to copy the definition of
message-send-mail-with-sendmail to his .emacs file and change the
appropriate parts. ;)
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* Re: sendmail -f: evil or not?
2000-04-23 17:38 ` Rupa Schomaker
2000-04-23 20:13 ` Florian Weimer
@ 2000-04-24 0:47 ` Russ Allbery
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From: Russ Allbery @ 2000-04-24 0:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
Rupa Schomaker <rupa-list+gnus@rupa.com> writes:
> Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.cygnus.argh.org> writes:
>> Well, I'd like to see Gnus to use a magic header in the outgoing
>> message to set "-f" parameter. This can be useful if you're
>> subscribed to several closed mailing lists with different addresses.
>> If there aren't any objections, I'm going to implement it.
> This is already done using posting-styles and address. Though I suppose
> there can be other ways to do it...
Right, that's how I do it currently.
--
Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
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* Re: sendmail -f: evil or not?
2000-04-23 7:51 ` Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]
2000-04-23 7:57 ` Russ Allbery
@ 2000-04-24 20:50 ` Amos Gouaux
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From: Amos Gouaux @ 2000-04-24 20:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
>>>>> On 23 Apr 2000 09:51:06 +0200,
>>>>> Michael Sperber <sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> (ms) writes:
>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
Lars> I can flip the default if that would help.
ms> It would!
If this is done, it might be helpful to document that if folks set
"address" in a posting-style, they'll likely need to use the `-f'
flag as well.
Amos
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* Re: sendmail -f: evil or not?
2000-04-23 7:57 ` Russ Allbery
@ 2000-04-25 0:58 ` Stephen Zander
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From: Stephen Zander @ 2000-04-25 0:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
>>>>> "Russ" == Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu> writes:
Russ> We hates it, we do... hates it forever.
Why, what did its got in its pockets?
:)
--
Stephen
"So if she weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood."... "And
therefore?"... "A witch!"
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