From: Martin Escardo <escardo...@googlemail.com>
To: "HomotopyT...@googlegroups.com" <HomotopyT...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [HoTT] new preprint available
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 10:35:33 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <204f54d4-02bf-ee74-abe8-8efdb28a0d15@googlemail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <60244690-d027-1a0b-2796-3e898028b4b2@googlemail.com>
On 14/01/17 19:52, Martin Escardo wrote:
> I wonder whether your model, or a suitable adaptation, can prove
> something stronger, namely that a weakening of countable choice is
> already not provable. (We can discuss in another opportunity why this is
> interesting and how it arises.)
>
> The weakening is
>
> ((n:N) -> || A n + B ||) -> || (n:N) -> A n + B ||
>
> where A n is a decidable proposition and B is a set.
>
> (Actually, the further weakening in which B is an arbitrary subset of
> the Cantor type (N->2) is also interesting. It would also be interesting
> to know whether it is provable. I suspect it isn't.)
I would like to remark that this principle is equivalent to another
choice principle.
Let *propositional choice* be the principle
Pi(P:U), isProp P -> Pi(X:P->U), (Pi(p:P), isSet(X(p)) ->
(Pi(p:P), ||X(p)||) -> ||Pi(p:P), X(p)||.
This is equivalent to
Pi(P,Y:U), isProp P -> isSet(Y) ->
(P -> ||Y||) -> ||P -> Y||.
Hence we see that it holds for decidable P, and thus holds for all P if
excluded middle holds.
The above countable choice principle is equivalence to propositional
choice with P of the form
Sigma(n:N).a(n)=0
with a:N->2 and
isProp(Sigma(n:N), a(n)=0).
(The statement that all such P are decidable is called LPO.)
Martin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-01-16 10:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-01-11 8:58 Thierry Coquand
2017-01-14 19:52 ` [HoTT] " Martin Escardo
2017-01-16 10:35 ` Martin Escardo [this message]
2017-01-16 14:12 ` Andrew Swan
2017-01-16 14:31 ` Thierry Coquand
2017-01-19 21:49 ` Martin Escardo
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