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From: Ulrik Buchholtz <ulrikbuchholtz@gmail.com>
To: Homotopy Type Theory <HomotopyTypeTheory@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [HoTT] Re: Foundational question about a large set of small sets
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 02:43:55 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c10d88b0-8856-4a35-b71d-c2f9d36b5f7an@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <034025b4-005d-79d1-cab1-67470b3245bd@googlemail.com>


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Dear Martín,

As you indicate, it is necessary to truncate: There can be no (large) set S 
and function

(1)  f : (X : Set U) → (g : X → S) × is-emb g .

If there was, you could apply f to swap : Bool = Bool, to get an embedding 
g : Bool →  S satisfying g = g ∘ swap, which is absurd.

So how about having a set S and a function

(2)  f : (X : Set U) → ‖ (g : X → S) × is-emb g ‖ ?

This is equivalent to having a (large) set V covering the groupoid Set U. 
Indeed, if p : V → Set U is a surjection from a set V, we can take S := (v 
: V) × p v. Then if X : Set U, there merely exists v : V with a bijection h 
: X ≃ p v. Composing with the inclusion at v, we get the desired embedding 
g.

Conversely, if we have S and f as in (2), then we can take V := (X : Set U) 
× (g : X → S) × is-emb g, the set of U-small subsets of S. Then the first 
project, p, is surjective by (2).

Unfortunately, I don't know of a model where there's no set cover of Set U. 
The counter-model at the nLab for the general statement that sets cover 
groupoids (https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/n-types+cover#InModels), using 
presheaves on the category-join B²ℤ * 1, doesn't work for this purpose, 
AFAICT. (Using a general 2-group G and presheaves on BG * 1 won't help 
either, I think.)

Cheers,
Ulrik

On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 9:33:29 PM UTC+1 escardo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Is there a set in a successor universe 𝓤⁺ that embeds all sets in
> the universe 𝓤?
>
> We can consider this question in models or in the language(s) of
> HoTT/UF.
>
> We can also consider this question constructively and
> non-constructively.
>
> I am interested in constructive answers in the languages of
> HoTT/UF. But of course answers in the models and non-constructive
> answers can illuminate the question I have in mind and so are welcome.
>
> In the presence of the axiom of choice, every set can be well-ordered,
> as proved in the HoTT book, and hence a non-constructive answer is
> yes: every set in 𝓤 can be embedded into the type of all ordinals. But
> notice that this is a (necessarily) propositionally truncated
> mathematical statement in HoTT/UF.
>
> Can you find a set in the successor universe 𝓤⁺ that embeds all sets
> in the universe 𝓤? (Say from the material available in the HoTT book.)
>
> Martin
>
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-27 10:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-26 20:33 [HoTT] " Martin Escardo
2021-02-27 10:43 ` Ulrik Buchholtz [this message]
2021-02-27 23:00   ` [HoTT] " Michael Shulman
2021-02-28 12:45     ` Ulrik Buchholtz
2021-02-28 14:01       ` Ulrik Buchholtz
2021-02-28 15:13       ` Michael Shulman
2021-03-01  7:52         ` Martin Escardo

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