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From: Matt Oliveri <atm...@gmail.com>
To: Homotopy Type Theory <HomotopyT...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [HoTT] Impredicative set + function extensionality + proof irrelevance consistent?
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 23:41:49 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f4747ed9-fc19-453b-ad2e-f94f06e4e091@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D65C0347.A4F0B%psztxa@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk>


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Hello. I'd like to see if I have the situation straight:

For presenting a topos as a type system, there are expected to be (at 
least) two styles: having a type of "static" propositions, or using hprops.

With hprops, you can prove unique choice, so it's always topos-like 
(pretopos?).

With static props, you can't prove unique choice, but it may be consistent 
as an additional primitive, or you can ensure in some other way that you 
have a subobject classifier.

If you don't necessarily have unique choice or equivalent, you're dealing 
with a quasitopos, which is a more general thing.

With static props and unique choice, subsingletons generally aren't already 
propositions, but they all correspond to a proposition stating that the 
subsingleton is inhabited. Unique choice obtains the element of a 
subsingleton known to be inhabited.

The usual way to present a topos as a type system is with a non-dependent 
type system like IHOL. This will not be able to express hprops, so static 
props is the way. Proofs will not be objects, so proof-irrelevance doesn't 
come up.

The static props approach can also be used in a dependent type system, 
along with unique choice or equivalent. (To say nothing of whether that's a 
natural kind of system.)

In a dependent type system, a type of static props may or may not be a 
universe.

If it's not, proofs still aren't objects and proof-irrelevance still 
doesn't come up.

But if it is, you should at least have typal proof-irrelevance. (That is, 
stated using equality types.)

In that case, with equality reflection, you automatically get judgmental 
proof-irrelevance. This does not necessarily mean that proofs are 
computationally irrelevant. With unique choice, they cannot be, or else you 
lose canonicity.

All OK?

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-18  7:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-11  4:22 Kristina Sojakova
2017-12-11 11:42 ` [HoTT] " Jon Sterling
2017-12-11 12:15   ` Kristina Sojakova
2017-12-11 12:43     ` Jon Sterling
2017-12-11 14:28       ` Thomas Streicher
2017-12-11 14:32         ` Kristina Sojakova
2017-12-11 14:23 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-12-12 10:15   ` Andrea Vezzosi
2017-12-12 11:03     ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-12-12 12:02       ` Thomas Streicher
2017-12-12 12:21         ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-12-12 13:17           ` Jon Sterling
2017-12-12 19:29             ` Thomas Streicher
2017-12-12 19:52               ` Martin Escardo
2017-12-12 23:14           ` Michael Shulman
2017-12-14 12:32             ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-12-14 18:52               ` Michael Shulman
2017-12-16 15:21                 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-12-17 12:55                   ` Michael Shulman
2017-12-17 17:08                     ` Ben Sherman
2017-12-17 17:16                       ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-12-17 22:43                         ` Floris van Doorn
2017-12-15 17:00           ` Thomas Streicher
2017-12-17  8:47             ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-12-17 10:21               ` Thomas Streicher
2017-12-17 11:39                 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-12-18  7:41                   ` Matt Oliveri [this message]
2017-12-18 10:00                     ` Michael Shulman
2017-12-18 11:55                       ` Matt Oliveri
2017-12-18 16:24                         ` Michael Shulman
2017-12-18 20:08                           ` Matt Oliveri
2017-12-18 10:10                     ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-12-18 11:17                       ` Matt Oliveri
2017-12-18 12:09                       ` Matt Oliveri
2017-12-18 11:52                   ` Thomas Streicher
2017-12-19 11:26                     ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-12-19 13:52                       ` Andrej Bauer
2017-12-19 14:44                         ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-12-19 15:31                           ` Thomas Streicher
2017-12-19 16:10                             ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-12-19 16:31                               ` Thomas Streicher
2017-12-19 16:37                                 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-12-20 11:00                                   ` Thomas Streicher
2017-12-20 11:16                                     ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-12-20 11:41                                       ` Thomas Streicher
2017-12-21  0:42                                         ` Matt Oliveri
2017-12-22 11:18                                           ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2017-12-22 21:20                                             ` Martín Hötzel Escardó
2017-12-22 21:36                                               ` Martín Hötzel Escardó
2017-12-23  0:25                                               ` Matt Oliveri
2017-12-19 16:41                         ` Steve Awodey
2017-12-20  0:14                           ` Andrej Bauer
2017-12-20  3:55                             ` Steve Awodey
     [not found]       ` <fa8c0c3c-4870-4c06-fd4d-70be992d3ac0@skyskimmer.net>
2017-12-14 13:28         ` Thorsten Altenkirch

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