make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

[fkqqrr]

When sending email in Gnus, 'sent' emails by default go into
'archive' folder locally.

How to set sent emails to IMAP sent folder?

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Re: make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

[Eric Abrahamsen]

fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:

> When sending email in Gnus, 'sent' emails by default go into
> 'archive' folder locally.
>
> How to set sent emails to IMAP sent folder?

You can set the `gnus-message-archive-group' option to the desired
"Sent" folder. If you have more than one account you're trying to set
up, you can set that option to a function that takes one argument, a
group name, and returns the appropriate archive group. In my case:

(defun my-archiver-figure-outer (group)
  (cond ((string-match-p "nnimap\\+This-Account\\|gmane" group)
	 "nnimap+This-Account:Sent")
	((string-match-p "nnimap\\+That-Account" group)
	 "nnimap+That-Account:Sent")))

(setq gnus-message-archive-group #'my-archiver-figure-outer)

I might be wrong, but it should also be possible to set the Gcc header
in posting styles (?).

Eric

Re: make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

[Gijs Hillenius]

On  7 Mar 2016, fkqqrr@autistici.org wrote:

>
> When sending email in Gnus, 'sent' emails by default go into
> 'archive' folder locally.
>
> How to set sent emails to IMAP sent folder?

I use

;; Archive Sent Mail On Imap Server
(setq gnus-message-archive-method 
      '(nnimap "name-of-your-server-here"))

;; E-mail archive, per month
(setq gnus-message-archive-group
      '((if (message-news-p)
  	    "INBOX.misc-news"
	  (concat "INBOX.sent." (format-time-string "%Y-%m")))))

Re: make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

[Fkqqrr]

Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>
>> When sending email in Gnus, 'sent' emails by default go into
>> 'archive' folder locally.
I missed some clues. Some imap account will automatically sync
a copy of sent emails to imap sent folder as well as local archive
folder. But another imap email account won't do this. That's weird.

>
> You can set the `gnus-message-archive-group' option to the desired
> "Sent" folder. If you have more than one account you're trying to set
> up, you can set that option to a function that takes one argument, a
> group name, and returns the appropriate archive group. In my case:
>
> (defun my-archiver-figure-outer (group)
>   (cond ((string-match-p "nnimap\\+This-Account\\|gmane" group)
> 	 "nnimap+This-Account:Sent")
> 	((string-match-p "nnimap\\+That-Account" group)
> 	 "nnimap+That-Account:Sent")))
>
Hi Eric, '\\|gmane' above is to place 'sent messgages in gmane' to
your email server?

That means 'This-account' (email) and gmane (news) share the same
sent folder of your email account. A possible guess is you use
'This-account' to post messages to gmane news groups.

Currently I only have one smtp account while many imap acount. It
seems that Gnus does not support another 'That-Account', right?
> (setq gnus-message-archive-group #'my-archiver-figure-outer)
>
> I might be wrong, but it should also be possible to set the Gcc header
> in posting styles (?).
>
> Eric
>
>

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Re: make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

[Fkqqrr]

Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>
>> When sending email in Gnus, 'sent' emails by default go into
>> 'archive' folder locally.
>>
>> How to set sent emails to IMAP sent folder?
>
> You can set the `gnus-message-archive-group' option to the desired
> "Sent" folder. If you have more than one account you're trying to set
> up, you can set that option to a function that takes one argument, a
> group name, and returns the appropriate archive group. In my case:
>
> (defun my-archiver-figure-outer (group)
>   (cond ((string-match-p "nnimap\\+This-Account\\|gmane" group)
> 	 "nnimap+This-Account:Sent")
> 	((string-match-p "nnimap\\+That-Account" group)
> 	 "nnimap+That-Account:Sent")))
>
> (setq gnus-message-archive-group #'my-archiver-figure-outer)
By the way, this method will send the email again to nnimap sent
folder on email server?
>
> I might be wrong, but it should also be possible to set the Gcc header
> in posting styles (?).
>
> Eric
>
>

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Re: make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

[Fkqqrr]

Gijs Hillenius <gijs@hillenius.net> writes:

> On  7 Mar 2016, fkqqrr@autistici.org wrote:
>
>>
>> When sending email in Gnus, 'sent' emails by default go into
>> 'archive' folder locally.
>>
>> How to set sent emails to IMAP sent folder?
>
> I use
Ha, this is a straightward solution.
>
> ;; Archive Sent Mail On Imap Server
> (setq gnus-message-archive-method 
>       '(nnimap "name-of-your-server-here"))
Like `imap.gmail.com'?

I have a doubt. Use this setting, all sent items (news and mails)
are placed in email server's 'sent' folder.

1. If I am right, mail server can do this automatcially when
sending email. This is from my past experience. No matter send by
browser or client, sent emails are synced with 'sent' folder in
mail server. This is done, I think, by IMAP server.

2. Some mail servers, all sent emails go to
local archive sent group (%Y-%m). Meanwhile, they are synced with
mail server 'sent' folder too.

  However, some other email servers won't sync! This is why I need
  explicit archive method and archive group setting.

  Do you have any clues why some sync while others not?
>
> ;; E-mail archive, per month
> (setq gnus-message-archive-group
>       '((if (message-news-p)
>   	    "INBOX.misc-news"
> 	  (concat "INBOX.sent." (format-time-string "%Y-%m")))))
>

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Re: make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

[Fkqqrr]

Gijs Hillenius <gijs@hillenius.net> writes:

> On  7 Mar 2016, fkqqrr@autistici.org wrote:
>
>>
>> When sending email in Gnus, 'sent' emails by default go into
>> 'archive' folder locally.
>>
>> How to set sent emails to IMAP sent folder?
>
> I use
>
> ;; Archive Sent Mail On Imap Server
> (setq gnus-message-archive-method 
>       '(nnimap "name-of-your-server-here"))
>
> ;; E-mail archive, per month
> (setq gnus-message-archive-group
>       '((if (message-news-p)
>   	    "INBOX.misc-news"
> 	  (concat "INBOX.sent." (format-time-string "%Y-%m")))))
1. Will this create new 'sent' folders per month under 'Inbox'
folder?
2. How about the original default 'sent' folder on imap server?
>

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Re: make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

[Gijs Hillenius]

On  8 Mar 2016, fkqqrr@autistici.org wrote:

> Gijs Hillenius <gijs@hillenius.net> writes:
>
>> On  7 Mar 2016, fkqqrr@autistici.org wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> When sending email in Gnus, 'sent' emails by default go into
>>> 'archive' folder locally.
>>>
>>> How to set sent emails to IMAP sent folder?
>>
>> I use
>>
>> ;; Archive Sent Mail On Imap Server
>> (setq gnus-message-archive-method 
>> '(nnimap "name-of-your-server-here"))

name-of-your-server-here should correspond to the name you defined for
the imap server in the server buffer

>> ;; E-mail archive, per month
>> (setq gnus-message-archive-group
>> '((if (message-news-p)
>> 	    "INBOX.misc-news"
>> 	  (concat "INBOX.sent." (format-time-string "%Y-%m")))))
> 1. Will this create new 'sent' folders per month under 'Inbox'
> folder?

yes. My group buffer lists them like so:

nnimap+thuis:INBOX.sent.2015-01
nnimap+thuis:INBOX.sent.2015-02
nnimap+thuis:INBOX.sent.2015-03
nnimap+thuis:INBOX.sent.2015-04
nnimap+thuis:INBOX.sent.2015-05

every now and then I unsubscribe a bunch of these so that the list
becomes not too unwieldy

> 2. How about the original default 'sent' folder on imap server?

Yep, that is there too. And other imap clients will add Sent, instead of
sent, so you have quite a few sent folders to manage.

Re: make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

[Emcc]

Gijs Hillenius <gijs@hillenius.net> writes:

>>> ;; Archive Sent Mail On Imap Server
>>> (setq gnus-message-archive-method 
>>> '(nnimap "name-of-your-server-here"))
>
> name-of-your-server-here should correspond to the name you defined for
> the imap server in the server buffer
1. Must this imap server be consistent with my current smtp server?


2. What if: imap.gmail.com for sent archive while smtp.outlook.com for sending?
>
>>> ;; E-mail archive, per month
>>> (setq gnus-message-archive-group
>>> '((if (message-news-p)
>>> 	    "INBOX.misc-news"
>>> 	  (concat "INBOX.sent." (format-time-string "%Y-%m")))))
>> 1. Will this create new 'sent' folders per month under 'Inbox'
>> folder?
>

> nnimap+thuis:INBOX.sent.2015-01
> nnimap+thuis:INBOX.sent.2015-02
> nnimap+thuis:INBOX.sent.2015-03
> nnimap+thuis:INBOX.sent.2015-04
> nnimap+thuis:INBOX.sent.2015-05
>
3. Traditionally, when using email through browser, we can see
folders (letter case sensitive) like 'Inbox', 'Sent', 'Trash'
etc. 'Inbox' is for receving emails while 'Sent' folder is for our
written emails. Why use 'INBOX.sent.' prefix?  Why not
'Sent.2015-01'? Is there any difference between 'INBOX' and
'Inbox'? 
>
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Re: make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

[Emcc]

Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>
>> When sending email in Gnus, 'sent' emails by default go into
>> 'archive' folder locally.
>>
>> How to set sent emails to IMAP sent folder?
>
> You can set the `gnus-message-archive-group' option to the desired
> "Sent" folder. If you have more than one account you're trying to set
> up, you can set that option to a function that takes one argument, a
> group name, and returns the appropriate archive group. In my case:
>
> (defun my-archiver-figure-outer (group)
>   (cond ((string-match-p "nnimap\\+This-Account\\|gmane" group)
> 	 "nnimap+This-Account:Sent")
> 	((string-match-p "nnimap\\+That-Account" group)
> 	 "nnimap+That-Account:Sent")))
>
> (setq gnus-message-archive-group #'my-archiver-figure-outer)
>
> I might be wrong, but it should also be possible to set the Gcc header
> in posting styles (?).
Afer using your code, it will automatically add a Gcc header
whenever writing new message or mail.

But we can add manually a gcc header if need.
>
> Eric
>
>

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Re: make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:

> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>
>> fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>>
>>> When sending email in Gnus, 'sent' emails by default go into
>>> 'archive' folder locally.
>>>
>>> How to set sent emails to IMAP sent folder?
>>
>> You can set the `gnus-message-archive-group' option to the desired
>> "Sent" folder. If you have more than one account you're trying to set
>> up, you can set that option to a function that takes one argument, a
>> group name, and returns the appropriate archive group. In my case:
>>
>> (defun my-archiver-figure-outer (group)
>>   (cond ((string-match-p "nnimap\\+This-Account\\|gmane" group)
>> 	 "nnimap+This-Account:Sent")
>> 	((string-match-p "nnimap\\+That-Account" group)
>> 	 "nnimap+That-Account:Sent")))
>>
>> (setq gnus-message-archive-group #'my-archiver-figure-outer)
> By the way, this method will send the email again to nnimap sent
> folder on email server?

That's right, it will result in the sent mail being pushed to your imap
server. There isn't any "automatic" connection between your SMTP server
and your imap mail store, so you have to do the archiving yourself.

Re: make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

[fkqqrr]

Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> Fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>
>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>
>>> fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> When sending email in Gnus, 'sent' emails by default go into
>>>> 'archive' folder locally.
>>>>
>>>> How to set sent emails to IMAP sent folder?
>>>
>>> You can set the `gnus-message-archive-group' option to the desired
>>> "Sent" folder. If you have more than one account you're trying to set
>>> up, you can set that option to a function that takes one argument, a
>>> group name, and returns the appropriate archive group. In my case:
>>>
>>> (defun my-archiver-figure-outer (group)
>>>   (cond ((string-match-p "nnimap\\+This-Account\\|gmane" group)
>>> 	 "nnimap+This-Account:Sent")
>>> 	((string-match-p "nnimap\\+That-Account" group)
>>> 	 "nnimap+That-Account:Sent")))
>>>
>>> (setq gnus-message-archive-group #'my-archiver-figure-outer)
>> By the way, this method will send the email again to nnimap sent
>> folder on email server?
>
> That's right, it will result in the sent mail being pushed to your imap
> server. There isn't any "automatic" connection between your SMTP server
> and your imap mail store, so you have to do the archiving yourself.

I thought the IMAP and SMTP server are 'auto-connected'.

So sent items: connect to both receiver's IMAP and my IMAP (archive)
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Re: make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

[Eric Abrahamsen]

fkqqrr@autistici.org writes:

> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>
>> Fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>>
>>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> When sending email in Gnus, 'sent' emails by default go into
>>>>> 'archive' folder locally.
>>>>>
>>>>> How to set sent emails to IMAP sent folder?
>>>>
>>>> You can set the `gnus-message-archive-group' option to the desired
>>>> "Sent" folder. If you have more than one account you're trying to set
>>>> up, you can set that option to a function that takes one argument, a
>>>> group name, and returns the appropriate archive group. In my case:
>>>>
>>>> (defun my-archiver-figure-outer (group)
>>>>   (cond ((string-match-p "nnimap\\+This-Account\\|gmane" group)
>>>> 	 "nnimap+This-Account:Sent")
>>>> 	((string-match-p "nnimap\\+That-Account" group)
>>>> 	 "nnimap+That-Account:Sent")))
>>>>
>>>> (setq gnus-message-archive-group #'my-archiver-figure-outer)
>>> By the way, this method will send the email again to nnimap sent
>>> folder on email server?
>>
>> That's right, it will result in the sent mail being pushed to your imap
>> server. There isn't any "automatic" connection between your SMTP server
>> and your imap mail store, so you have to do the archiving yourself.
>
> I thought the IMAP and SMTP server are 'auto-connected'.

Well, it depends on the email service you're using. Most commercial
providers will "auto-connect" the two behind the scenes, because that's
what users expect, but in fact the two protocols have nothing to do with
each other (not only that, your SMTP account and your imap account are
theoretically completely separate accounts).

You haven't given us a whole lot of information here -- I assume you're
using an email provider of some kind, which should be doing this
connection for you. Are you sure you need Gccs at all?

> So sent items: connect to both receiver's IMAP and my IMAP (archive)

Not quite: message-mode ends up connecting to your SMTP server, which
sends the message through one or more mail transfer agents, until it
ends up in the receiver's imap (or other) mail account. If there's a Gcc
header in your sent message, Gnus will also put a copy of the message in
your archive group. So sending a message potentially involves two
copies: one to SMTP, the other to your imap account.

Hope that helps,
Eric

Re: make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

[fkqqrr]

Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> fkqqrr@autistici.org writes:
>
>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>
>>> Fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> When sending email in Gnus, 'sent' emails by default go into
>>>>>> 'archive' folder locally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How to set sent emails to IMAP sent folder?
>>>>>
>>>>> You can set the `gnus-message-archive-group' option to the desired
>>>>> "Sent" folder. If you have more than one account you're trying to set
>>>>> up, you can set that option to a function that takes one argument, a
>>>>> group name, and returns the appropriate archive group. In my case:
>>>>>
>>>>> (defun my-archiver-figure-outer (group)
>>>>>   (cond ((string-match-p "nnimap\\+This-Account\\|gmane" group)
>>>>> 	 "nnimap+This-Account:Sent")
>>>>> 	((string-match-p "nnimap\\+That-Account" group)
>>>>> 	 "nnimap+That-Account:Sent")))
>>>>>
>>>>> (setq gnus-message-archive-group #'my-archiver-figure-outer)
>>>> By the way, this method will send the email again to nnimap sent
>>>> folder on email server?
>>>
>>> That's right, it will result in the sent mail being pushed to your imap
>>> server. There isn't any "automatic" connection between your SMTP server
>>> and your imap mail store, so you have to do the archiving yourself.
>>
>> I thought the IMAP and SMTP server are 'auto-connected'.
>
> Well, it depends on the email service you're using. Most commercial
> providers will "auto-connect" the two behind the scenes, because that's
> what users expect, but in fact the two protocols have nothing to do with
> each other (not only that, your SMTP account and your imap account are
> theoretically completely separate accounts).
>
> You haven't given us a whole lot of information here -- I assume you're
> using an email provider of some kind, which should be doing this
> connection for you. Are you sure you need Gccs at all?
My problem was solved. I just don't the idea behind.
>
>> So sent items: connect to both receiver's IMAP and my IMAP (archive)
>
> Not quite: message-mode ends up connecting to your SMTP server, which
> sends the message through one or more mail transfer agents, until it
> ends up in the receiver's imap (or other) mail account. If there's a Gcc
> header in your sent message, Gnus will also put a copy of the message in
> your archive group. So sending a message potentially involves two
> copies: one to SMTP, the other to your imap account.
That clarifies my clouds.
>
> Hope that helps,
> Eric
>
>

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Re: make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

[fkqqrr]

Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> Fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>
>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>
>>> fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> When sending email in Gnus, 'sent' emails by default go into
>>>> 'archive' folder locally.
>>>>
>>>> How to set sent emails to IMAP sent folder?
>>>
>>> You can set the `gnus-message-archive-group' option to the desired
>>> "Sent" folder. If you have more than one account you're trying to set
>>> up, you can set that option to a function that takes one argument, a
>>> group name, and returns the appropriate archive group. In my case:
>>>
>>> (defun my-archiver-figure-outer (group)
>>>   (cond ((string-match-p "nnimap\\+This-Account\\|gmane" group)
>>> 	 "nnimap+This-Account:Sent")
>>> 	((string-match-p "nnimap\\+That-Account" group)
>>> 	 "nnimap+That-Account:Sent")))
If all `cond' does not match, where will the `archive' message go?
(for example, just write a new mail by `m' without enterning any
group. Just stay on the start `Group' buffer)

I know the default is `archive' on local disk. But this line:
>>> (setq gnus-message-archive-group #'my-archiver-figure-outer)
prevents un-matched sent items archived locally.

Should I add a condition:

   ((string-match-p ".*" group)
    "nnimap+3rd-account:Sent")

  Like this?
>> By the way, this method will send the email again to nnimap sent
>> folder on email server?
>
> That's right, it will result in the sent mail being pushed to your imap
> server. There isn't any "automatic" connection between your SMTP server
> and your imap mail store, so you have to do the archiving yourself.
>
>

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Re: make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

[Eric Abrahamsen]

fkqqrr@autistici.org writes:

> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>
>> Fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>>
>>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> When sending email in Gnus, 'sent' emails by default go into
>>>>> 'archive' folder locally.
>>>>>
>>>>> How to set sent emails to IMAP sent folder?
>>>>
>>>> You can set the `gnus-message-archive-group' option to the desired
>>>> "Sent" folder. If you have more than one account you're trying to set
>>>> up, you can set that option to a function that takes one argument, a
>>>> group name, and returns the appropriate archive group. In my case:
>>>>
>>>> (defun my-archiver-figure-outer (group)
>>>>   (cond ((string-match-p "nnimap\\+This-Account\\|gmane" group)
>>>> 	 "nnimap+This-Account:Sent")
>>>> 	((string-match-p "nnimap\\+That-Account" group)
>>>> 	 "nnimap+That-Account:Sent")))
> If all `cond' does not match, where will the `archive' message go?
> (for example, just write a new mail by `m' without enterning any
> group. Just stay on the start `Group' buffer)
>
> I know the default is `archive' on local disk. But this line:
>>>> (setq gnus-message-archive-group #'my-archiver-figure-outer)
> prevents un-matched sent items archived locally.
>
> Should I add a condition:
>
>    ((string-match-p ".*" group)
>     "nnimap+3rd-account:Sent")

The `cond' form usually takes a final "t" condition, which serves as a
catch-all for when nothing else matches. I didn't put one in there
because I couldn't be bothered. So:

(cond ((string-match-p "nnimap\\+NEA\\|gmane" group)
	 "nnimap+NEA:Sent")
	((string-match-p "nnimap\\+NPR" group)
	 "nnimap+NPR:Sent")
	(t "archive"))

Or "nnimap+3rd-account:Sent", if you like.

Re: make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

[fkqqrr]

Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> fkqqrr@autistici.org writes:
>
>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>
>>> Fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> When sending email in Gnus, 'sent' emails by default go into
>>>>>> 'archive' folder locally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How to set sent emails to IMAP sent folder?
>>>>>
>>>>> You can set the `gnus-message-archive-group' option to the desired
>>>>> "Sent" folder. If you have more than one account you're trying to set
>>>>> up, you can set that option to a function that takes one argument, a
>>>>> group name, and returns the appropriate archive group. In my case:
>>>>>
>>>>> (defun my-archiver-figure-outer (group)
>>>>>   (cond ((string-match-p "nnimap\\+This-Account\\|gmane" group)
>>>>> 	 "nnimap+This-Account:Sent")
>>>>> 	((string-match-p "nnimap\\+That-Account" group)
>>>>> 	 "nnimap+That-Account:Sent")))
>> If all `cond' does not match, where will the `archive' message go?
>> (for example, just write a new mail by `m' without enterning any
>> group. Just stay on the start `Group' buffer)
>>
>> I know the default is `archive' on local disk. But this line:
>>>>> (setq gnus-message-archive-group #'my-archiver-figure-outer)
>> prevents un-matched sent items archived locally.
>>
>> Should I add a condition:
>>
>>    ((string-match-p ".*" group)
>>     "nnimap+3rd-account:Sent")
>
> The `cond' form usually takes a final "t" condition, which serves as a
> catch-all for when nothing else matches. I didn't put one in there
> because I couldn't be bothered. So:
>
> (cond ((string-match-p "nnimap\\+NEA\\|gmane" group)
> 	 "nnimap+NEA:Sent")
> 	((string-match-p "nnimap\\+NPR" group)
> 	 "nnimap+NPR:Sent")
> 	(t "archive"))
>
> Or "nnimap+3rd-account:Sent", if you like.
This really helps. I can also set the default un-matched archive
method by `gnus-message-archive-method'.
>

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Re: make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

[Alice Bob]

Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> fkqqrr@autistici.org writes:
>
>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>
>>> Fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> When sending email in Gnus, 'sent' emails by default go into
>>>>>> 'archive' folder locally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How to set sent emails to IMAP sent folder?
>>>>>
>>>>> You can set the `gnus-message-archive-group' option to the desired
>>>>> "Sent" folder. If you have more than one account you're trying to set
>>>>> up, you can set that option to a function that takes one argument, a
>>>>> group name, and returns the appropriate archive group. In my case:
>>>>>
>>>>> (defun my-archiver-figure-outer (group)
>>>>>   (cond ((string-match-p "nnimap\\+This-Account\\|gmane" group)
>>>>> 	 "nnimap+This-Account:Sent")
>>>>> 	((string-match-p "nnimap\\+That-Account" group)
>>>>> 	 "nnimap+That-Account:Sent")))
>> If all `cond' does not match, where will the `archive' message go?
>> (for example, just write a new mail by `m' without enterning any
>> group. Just stay on the start `Group' buffer)
>>
>> I know the default is `archive' on local disk. But this line:
>>>>> (setq gnus-message-archive-group #'my-archiver-figure-outer)
>> prevents un-matched sent items archived locally.
>>
>> Should I add a condition:
>>
>>    ((string-match-p ".*" group)
>>     "nnimap+3rd-account:Sent")
>
> The `cond' form usually takes a final "t" condition, which serves as a
> catch-all for when nothing else matches. I didn't put one in there
> because I couldn't be bothered. So:
>
> (cond ((string-match-p "nnimap\\+NEA\\|gmane" group)
> 	 "nnimap+NEA:Sent")
> 	((string-match-p "nnimap\\+NPR" group)
> 	 "nnimap+NPR:Sent")
> 	(t "archive"))
>
> Or "nnimap+3rd-account:Sent", if you like.
>
>
An issue:

I can see the header: `Gcc: nnimap+NEA:Sent.misc-news'. But the
news is actually archived to `Gcc: nnimap+NPR:Sent.misc-news'.

On my system, NPR is the default `gnus-message-archive-method'.
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Re: make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Alice Bob <alicebob@riseup.net> writes:

> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>
>> fkqqrr@autistici.org writes:
>>
>>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> Fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When sending email in Gnus, 'sent' emails by default go into
>>>>>>> 'archive' folder locally.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How to set sent emails to IMAP sent folder?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can set the `gnus-message-archive-group' option to the desired
>>>>>> "Sent" folder. If you have more than one account you're trying to set
>>>>>> up, you can set that option to a function that takes one argument, a
>>>>>> group name, and returns the appropriate archive group. In my case:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (defun my-archiver-figure-outer (group)
>>>>>>   (cond ((string-match-p "nnimap\\+This-Account\\|gmane" group)
>>>>>> 	 "nnimap+This-Account:Sent")
>>>>>> 	((string-match-p "nnimap\\+That-Account" group)
>>>>>> 	 "nnimap+That-Account:Sent")))
>>> If all `cond' does not match, where will the `archive' message go?
>>> (for example, just write a new mail by `m' without enterning any
>>> group. Just stay on the start `Group' buffer)
>>>
>>> I know the default is `archive' on local disk. But this line:
>>>>>> (setq gnus-message-archive-group #'my-archiver-figure-outer)
>>> prevents un-matched sent items archived locally.
>>>
>>> Should I add a condition:
>>>
>>>    ((string-match-p ".*" group)
>>>     "nnimap+3rd-account:Sent")
>>
>> The `cond' form usually takes a final "t" condition, which serves as a
>> catch-all for when nothing else matches. I didn't put one in there
>> because I couldn't be bothered. So:
>>
>> (cond ((string-match-p "nnimap\\+NEA\\|gmane" group)
>> 	 "nnimap+NEA:Sent")
>> 	((string-match-p "nnimap\\+NPR" group)
>> 	 "nnimap+NPR:Sent")
>> 	(t "archive"))
>>
>> Or "nnimap+3rd-account:Sent", if you like.
>>
>>
> An issue:
>
> I can see the header: `Gcc: nnimap+NEA:Sent.misc-news'. But the
> news is actually archived to `Gcc: nnimap+NPR:Sent.misc-news'.
>
> On my system, NPR is the default `gnus-message-archive-method'.

Sorry for the late response... Unfortunately I'm not sure why the header
wouldn't take effect: are you sure that nnimap+NEA:Sent.misc-news
actually exists? And what's the full value for
`gnus-message-archive-method'?

Eric

Re: make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

[Alice Bob]

Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> Alice Bob <alicebob@riseup.net> writes:
>
>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>
>>> fkqqrr@autistici.org writes:
>>>
>>>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When sending email in Gnus, 'sent' emails by default go into
>>>>>>>> 'archive' folder locally.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How to set sent emails to IMAP sent folder?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can set the `gnus-message-archive-group' option to the desired
>>>>>>> "Sent" folder. If you have more than one account you're trying to set
>>>>>>> up, you can set that option to a function that takes one argument, a
>>>>>>> group name, and returns the appropriate archive group. In my case:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (defun my-archiver-figure-outer (group)
>>>>>>>   (cond ((string-match-p "nnimap\\+This-Account\\|gmane" group)
>>>>>>> 	 "nnimap+This-Account:Sent")
>>>>>>> 	((string-match-p "nnimap\\+That-Account" group)
>>>>>>> 	 "nnimap+That-Account:Sent")))
>>>> If all `cond' does not match, where will the `archive' message go?
>>>> (for example, just write a new mail by `m' without enterning any
>>>> group. Just stay on the start `Group' buffer)
>>>>
>>>> I know the default is `archive' on local disk. But this line:
>>>>>>> (setq gnus-message-archive-group #'my-archiver-figure-outer)
>>>> prevents un-matched sent items archived locally.
>>>>
>>>> Should I add a condition:
>>>>
>>>>    ((string-match-p ".*" group)
>>>>     "nnimap+3rd-account:Sent")
>>>
>>> The `cond' form usually takes a final "t" condition, which serves as a
>>> catch-all for when nothing else matches. I didn't put one in there
>>> because I couldn't be bothered. So:
>>>
>>> (cond ((string-match-p "nnimap\\+NEA\\|gmane" group)
>>> 	 "nnimap+NEA:Sent")
>>> 	((string-match-p "nnimap\\+NPR" group)
>>> 	 "nnimap+NPR:Sent")
>>> 	(t "archive"))
>>>
>>> Or "nnimap+3rd-account:Sent", if you like.
>>>
>>>
>> An issue:
>>
>> I can see the header: `Gcc: nnimap+NEA:Sent.misc-news'. But the
>> news is actually archived to `Gcc: nnimap+NPR:Sent.misc-news'.
>>
>> On my system, NPR is the default `gnus-message-archive-method'.
>
> Sorry for the late response... Unfortunately I'm not sure why the header
> wouldn't take effect: are you sure that nnimap+NEA:Sent.misc-news
> actually exists? And what's the full value for
> `gnus-message-archive-method'?
>
> Eric
Many thanks to Eric.

Issue solved by:

`(setq gnus-update-message-archive-method t)'

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Re: make sent emails synced in imap sent folder

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Alice Bob <alicebob@riseup.net> writes:

> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>
>> Alice Bob <alicebob@riseup.net> writes:
>>
>>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> fkqqrr@autistici.org writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fkqqrr <fkqqrr@autistici.org> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When sending email in Gnus, 'sent' emails by default go into
>>>>>>>>> 'archive' folder locally.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How to set sent emails to IMAP sent folder?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can set the `gnus-message-archive-group' option to the desired
>>>>>>>> "Sent" folder. If you have more than one account you're trying to set
>>>>>>>> up, you can set that option to a function that takes one argument, a
>>>>>>>> group name, and returns the appropriate archive group. In my case:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (defun my-archiver-figure-outer (group)
>>>>>>>>   (cond ((string-match-p "nnimap\\+This-Account\\|gmane" group)
>>>>>>>> 	 "nnimap+This-Account:Sent")
>>>>>>>> 	((string-match-p "nnimap\\+That-Account" group)
>>>>>>>> 	 "nnimap+That-Account:Sent")))
>>>>> If all `cond' does not match, where will the `archive' message go?
>>>>> (for example, just write a new mail by `m' without enterning any
>>>>> group. Just stay on the start `Group' buffer)
>>>>>
>>>>> I know the default is `archive' on local disk. But this line:
>>>>>>>> (setq gnus-message-archive-group #'my-archiver-figure-outer)
>>>>> prevents un-matched sent items archived locally.
>>>>>
>>>>> Should I add a condition:
>>>>>
>>>>>    ((string-match-p ".*" group)
>>>>>     "nnimap+3rd-account:Sent")
>>>>
>>>> The `cond' form usually takes a final "t" condition, which serves as a
>>>> catch-all for when nothing else matches. I didn't put one in there
>>>> because I couldn't be bothered. So:
>>>>
>>>> (cond ((string-match-p "nnimap\\+NEA\\|gmane" group)
>>>> 	 "nnimap+NEA:Sent")
>>>> 	((string-match-p "nnimap\\+NPR" group)
>>>> 	 "nnimap+NPR:Sent")
>>>> 	(t "archive"))
>>>>
>>>> Or "nnimap+3rd-account:Sent", if you like.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> An issue:
>>>
>>> I can see the header: `Gcc: nnimap+NEA:Sent.misc-news'. But the
>>> news is actually archived to `Gcc: nnimap+NPR:Sent.misc-news'.
>>>
>>> On my system, NPR is the default `gnus-message-archive-method'.
>>
>> Sorry for the late response... Unfortunately I'm not sure why the header
>> wouldn't take effect: are you sure that nnimap+NEA:Sent.misc-news
>> actually exists? And what's the full value for
>> `gnus-message-archive-method'?
>>
>> Eric
> Many thanks to Eric.
>
> Issue solved by:
>
> `(setq gnus-update-message-archive-method t)'

Ah, glad that got sorted!

E