* Re: do i need nntp? what happens after C-c C-c?
[not found] ` <87r7x9307q.fsf@millingtons.org>
@ 2004-02-05 22:21 ` Joel Smith
[not found] ` <m34qu59h18.fsf@defun.localdomain>
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From: Joel Smith @ 2004-02-05 22:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
Glyn Millington <glyn@millingtons.org> wrote in message news:<87r7x9307q.fsf@millingtons.org>...
> Hmmm You are on a dial-up, stand-alone machine? Just guessing from your
> previous message.
i'm using a DSL connection on a PC. Earthlink is my provider. I
don't run any servers, i.e. I use the internet through earthlink and i
don't provide anything to the internet...
>
> In the passage I snipped above there is still some confusion between mail
> and news - these are two very different systems !!
>
> Mail - you are trying to send this out using smtp via sendmail.
> News - you are trying to post to newsgroups using nntp via inn.
>
> What you do with sendmail/smtp will not effect your newsgroup posts.
> What you do with inn should not effect your mail.
>
ok.
>
> Are you really committed to sendmail as an MTA - almost anything is easier
> to configure!! and Gnus doesn't need it, as the previous poster said.
> If you want a "real" MTA, why not try postfix - MUCH easier!!
>
> http://www.redhat.com/support/resources/howto/RH-postfix-HOWTO/book1.html
>
i'm not committed, but it works and that makes me happy. since it
doesn't affect posts and the news stuff doesn't affect mail. i'll
keep sendmail.
>
> And INN !!!! If you want a server on a home computer, use little
> Leafnode
>
> http://leafnode.sourceforge.net/
> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/News-Leafsite.html#toc4
>
ok. hmm. my problem is that gnus doesn't want to post a long
message. i chose inn to post it for me. i don't even want a news
server. i just want to post... but (see next comment)
>
> And next time post the exact error message you received .....
>
i don't get an error message. without /usr/bin/inet (standard gnus,
declare news.east.earthlink.net as my server, and smtp-message as the
way to post) my posting returns 503 program error or time out
(couldn't talk to news server). note that with small messages they
post fine. since i can't seem to fix gnus i chose inn in the vain
hope of finding an alternative.
with /usr/bin/inet i hit c-c c-c, it sends sending, and then a second
later my message disappears, but never showed up in the newsgroups i
was sending it to... will /var/log/mailog describe what happened to
my post? what will?
>
>
> Hope that helps
>
Thank you for your comments.
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* Re: do i need nntp? what happens after C-c C-c?
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@ 2004-02-06 3:04 ` Jesper Harder
2004-02-06 5:19 ` Floyd Davidson
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From: Jesper Harder @ 2004-02-06 3:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
Joel Smith <joelvsmith@earthlink.net> writes:
> well, i suppose i should be happy, but i'd like to be able to use the
> news server i pay for to post my messages. i guess at this point i
> should ask earthlink for an explanation i can't talk to their news
> server. what i really need is for an earthlink and gnus user to
> explain how they connect to earthlink.
If you can't make it work you can always go for
<http://news.individual.net/>. It's free (and quite good, I've been
told), but requires registration.
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* Re: do i need nntp? what happens after C-c C-c?
[not found] ` <m3y8rhkjur.fsf@localhost.localdomain>
2004-02-06 3:04 ` Jesper Harder
@ 2004-02-06 5:19 ` Floyd Davidson
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From: Floyd Davidson @ 2004-02-06 5:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
Joel Smith <joelvsmith@earthlink.net> wrote:
>well, i suppose i should be happy, but i'd like to be able to use the
>news server i pay for to post my messages. i guess at this point i
>should ask earthlink for an explanation i can't talk to their news
>server. what i really need is for an earthlink and gnus user to
>explain how they connect to earthlink.
What happens if you manually try connecting to that server?
Here is an example of how to do it, with "==>" indicating
lines that I typed.
==> telnet news.barrow.com 119
Trying 69.60.161.3...
Connected to news.america.net.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 Powered by Typhoon -- http://www.highwind.com/ (Typhoon v1.2.2)
==> authinfo user *******
381 More Authentication Required
==> authinfo pass *******
281 Authentication Accepted
==> help
100 Legal Commands
article [<messageid>|number]
authinfo type value
...
quit
.
==> group gnu.emacs.gnus
211 9 164710 164718 gnu.emacs.gnus
==> stat 164718
223 164718 <m3k7309adc.fsf@defun.localdomain>
==> quit
205 GoodBye
If you can't get it to do that, then between you and the server
there is a disagreement over who is allowed and who isn't. But
if you get as far as a "281 Authentication Accepted" response,
then you've got a configuration problem.
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@barrow.com
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* Re: do i need nntp? what happens after C-c C-c?
[not found] ` <m37jz324cc.fsf@jrwork.burla>
@ 2004-02-04 21:54 ` Joel Smith
[not found] ` <8c14dcec.0402050739.16ab5d7d@posting.google.com>
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From: Joel Smith @ 2004-02-04 21:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
Yoni Rabkin Katzenell <yoni-r@actcom.com> wrote in message news:<m37jz324cc.fsf@jrwork.burla>...
> joelvsmith@earthlink.net (Joel Smith) writes:
>
> > i've been having trouble replying to messages through gnus. i use
> > fedora core 1, sendmail as my MTA, connect through earthlink for mail
> > and internet. i can read mail and post directly to newsgroups
> > but any time i post something substantial i get 503 time out or
> > program error, can't talk to news... or something like that... i
> > just noticed that i am not running nntp. should this be up and
> > running?
>
> Go to the *trace of...* buffer after attempting to send your mail and
> see how the session looks like. Note that you have to make a clear
> distinction between email and newsgroups, two very different things.
>
> > this may be the wrong question but what happens when i hit C-c C-c?
> > does gnus and emacs send my message to the mail queue? and then
> > sendmail delivers it??? any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Gnus has its own SMTP implementation so that it does not need sendmail
> to send the mail. You can see the function as it is defined in my
> dotgnus file:
>
> (setq send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it)
> (setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it)
First. Thnak you!
I have in my .gnus file
(require 'smtpmail) ; i'm not at home, this line is from memory
(setq send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it)
(setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it)
I can post a message through gnus (i.e. type 'a' in gnus, write a new
message that isn't too long and then send it), but i can't seem to
follow-up and yank or anything that creates a large message or that
has lines longer than 79 characters. i don't even get a trace. i
just get 503 time out or program error, can't talk to the news server
(which is listed in the *Messages* buffer).
i guess the first place to start is to track all the things that gnus
and emacs does when I hit C-c C-c. How can this be done? Please,
please help, because I'm the type of person who will go insane if I
don't get an answer. I believe that there must be a problem between
gnus and earthlink (not with my MTA--sendmail), and the first step is
to figure out what is not working.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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