From: "Ulrich Spörlein" <uqs@spoerlein.net>
To: discuss@mdocml.bsd.lv
Subject: Re: Raw UTF-8?
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:23:41 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100713192341.GB25163@roadrunner.spoerlein.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C3A47E9.1080106@bsd.lv>
On Mon, 12.07.2010 at 00:38:33 +0200, Kristaps Džonsons wrote:
> > This also works fine with FreeBSD's groff when rendering to UTF-8 aware
> > terminals using -Tutf8 (and of course in -Tps and -Thtml mode).
> >
> > I really hope the sentiment expressed in this thread is in jest, as I
> > would stop considering mandoc(1) a viable alternative for FreeBSD's man
> > subsystem if it will never support UTF-8 output (and then render \(:o as
> > ö like it should).
>
> I think there's a little confusion here. I see Ingo just wrote and
> answered most questions. Well, no point in wasting a response...
>
> The state of affairs follows:
>
> - mandoc/groff accept and understand ASCII input
> - mandoc/groff [sometimes] accept but DO NOT understand non-ASCII input
>
> That UTF-8 input renders on your screen is coincidence: you happen to
> have a UTF-8 terminal and groff hasn't puked on the characters. You
> implicitly assume your readers' mediums have the same capabilities.
>
> Now for the \[foo] syntax. First, it exists. Second, it covers most
> European characters. Is it general? No. Why let it stay? Because it
> lets \(:u be both "u" (my terminal) and ü (e.g. www output). If you
> don't use the \[foo] escapes, you're screwing readers. Yes, we're
> screwing non-western-European manual writers ("me") already, but this is
> not a problem we need to solve right now.
I completely agree here, there's nothing fancy we could or should do
regarding input.
> Now for output and The Good Stuff.
>
> -Tutf8 is not hard. I think I can manage this in coming releases
> without any negative effects. In fact, it will cut the binary size, as
> I'd key special chars as integers and rewrite them on the fly into
> UTF-8, Latin-1, or whatever, for all outputs.
Sounds great, do you also plan on adding "special chars" support to -Tps
(mostly for latin1 accents and umlauts)?
Regards,
Uli
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-07-13 20:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-07-07 3:13 Anthony J. Bentley
2010-07-07 9:33 ` Kristaps Dzonsons
2010-07-07 14:39 ` Anthony J. Bentley
2010-07-07 20:13 ` Ingo Schwarze
2010-07-07 18:58 ` Ingo Schwarze
2010-07-07 19:18 ` Joerg Sonnenberger
2010-07-07 21:12 ` Ingo Schwarze
2010-07-07 21:17 ` Joerg Sonnenberger
2010-07-09 21:05 ` Ulrich Spörlein
2010-07-10 18:11 ` J.C. Roberts
2010-07-11 22:17 ` Ingo Schwarze
2010-07-11 22:38 ` Kristaps Dzonsons
2010-07-13 19:23 ` Ulrich Spörlein [this message]
2010-07-13 23:25 ` Kristaps Dzonsons
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