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From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: Locale bikeshed time
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 16:43:29 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140726204329.GR4038@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140725201551.GQ16795@example.net>

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:15:51PM +0200, u-igbb@aetey.se wrote:
> Replying to myself.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 11:06:49AM +0200, u-igbb@aetey.se wrote:
> > Returning to the naming. As language-based locales are named
> > after languages, it would be nice to name other kinds of locale
> > data after their "natural association" too. Then politically-bound
> > data could be put into the corresponding "territorial" family:
> > 
> >  language                ll[l][_TT]
> >  territory               TT[_ll[l]]
> 
> A bad idea, forget it. This would be open to misinterpretation
> (which key is "more fundamental" for a certain kind of data,
> shall it go to ll_TT or TT_ll ?)

I wasn't quite sure where to inject this reply into the thread, but
one thing I just remembered is that glibc (and the XSI option for
POSIX) has [.charset] as part of the standard form for locale names,
and all of glibc's usable locales end in ".UTF-8". So a user on a
mixed system is likely to have their locale vars set to include
".UTF-8 "at the end, and therefore wouldn't get any localization when
running musl-linked programs with the locale names we've proposed.

The way I see it, we could either have the locale package provide
symlinks to all of the locales with ".UTF-8" on the end, or musl
itself could ignore anything starting with the first '.' in a locale
name. One downside of symlinks is that a locale could uselessly get
mapped twice if somebody happens to reference it by both names in
their locale vars. It also puts more of a configuration/complexity
burden on the installation. But it does keep policy out of libc and
saves a few bytes of code in libc.

Any opinions on the matter?

Rich


  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-07-26 20:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-22 18:49 Rich Felker
2014-07-22 20:10 ` u-igbb
2014-07-22 20:35   ` Rich Felker
2014-07-23  9:50     ` u-igbb
2014-07-23 16:39       ` Rich Felker
2014-07-23 19:25         ` u-igbb
2014-07-23 21:01           ` Rich Felker
2014-07-24 15:35             ` u-igbb
2014-07-24 16:01               ` Rich Felker
2014-07-24 19:24                 ` u-igbb
2014-07-24 20:15                 ` u-igbb
2014-07-24 22:02                   ` Rich Felker
2014-07-25  9:06                     ` u-igbb
2014-07-25 20:15                       ` u-igbb
2014-07-25 22:32                         ` Rich Felker
2014-07-26  7:25                           ` u-igbb
2014-07-26  8:03                             ` Rich Felker
2014-07-26  9:06                               ` Jens Gustedt
2014-07-26  9:25                                 ` Rich Felker
2014-07-26  9:38                               ` u-igbb
2014-07-26 17:47                                 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2014-07-26 18:23                                   ` Rich Felker
2014-07-26 18:59                                     ` u-igbb
2014-07-26 19:14                                       ` Rich Felker
2014-07-26 18:56                                   ` u-igbb
2014-07-26 19:30                                     ` Rich Felker
2014-07-27  7:28                                       ` u-igbb
2014-07-26 20:43                         ` Rich Felker [this message]
2014-07-27  7:51                           ` u-igbb
2014-07-27  8:00                             ` Rich Felker
2014-07-27  8:24                               ` u-igbb
2014-07-23 23:22         ` writeonce
2014-07-23 23:38           ` Rich Felker
2014-07-24  1:07             ` writeonce
2014-07-24  1:57               ` Rich Felker
2014-07-24  2:16                 ` writeonce
2014-07-24  2:24                   ` Rich Felker
2014-07-24  2:59                     ` writeonce
2014-07-22 20:17 ` Laurent Bercot
2014-07-22 20:36   ` Rich Felker
2014-07-23 22:03     ` Laurent Bercot
2014-07-23 22:12       ` Rich Felker
2014-07-24 15:38         ` u-igbb

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