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* [musl] IFUNC support
@ 2024-05-09 11:04 Maxim Blinov
  2024-05-09 12:35 ` Rich Felker
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Maxim Blinov @ 2024-05-09 11:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: musl

Hi all,

I just wanted to clarify the current status on IFUNCs, specifically
when generated by the compiler when using the `target_clones` c
function attribute.

Am I correct that this is not currently supported by musl? If so,
would musl ever support this feature, or is it rejected as a matter of
principle? And lastly, if it is possible, what would it take to
support this feature?

I googled around for some previous discussions on the subject and
found https://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2022/08/23/7, and also
https://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2014/11/11/2, which reports IFUNCs
as "One feature musl intentionally does not yet support", but I
suppose I wanted to ask again since this was from 2014 and perhaps
something has changed since then.

I originally stumbled on this issue by observing that the musl dynamic
linker, for x86_64, currently errors out on IFUNC symbols with

```
unknown relocation 37
```

And on RISC-V it throws up with

```
unsupported relocation type 58
```

which corresponds with the R_RISCV_IRELATIVE relocation.

BR,
Maxim

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* Re: [musl] IFUNC support
  2024-05-09 11:04 [musl] IFUNC support Maxim Blinov
@ 2024-05-09 12:35 ` Rich Felker
  2024-05-09 13:16   ` Maxim Blinov
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Rich Felker @ 2024-05-09 12:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Maxim Blinov; +Cc: musl

On Thu, May 09, 2024 at 12:04:28PM +0100, Maxim Blinov wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I just wanted to clarify the current status on IFUNCs, specifically
> when generated by the compiler when using the `target_clones` c
> function attribute.
> 
> Am I correct that this is not currently supported by musl? If so,
> would musl ever support this feature, or is it rejected as a matter of
> principle? And lastly, if it is possible, what would it take to
> support this feature?
> 
> I googled around for some previous discussions on the subject and
> found https://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2022/08/23/7, and also
> https://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2014/11/11/2, which reports IFUNCs
> as "One feature musl intentionally does not yet support", but I
> suppose I wanted to ask again since this was from 2014 and perhaps
> something has changed since then.

If anything, exclusion of IFUNC is more definite now than in 2014.
They keep showing up as vectors for things to break or even for
disguising backdoors, and none of the prior reasons for excluding it
are really resolvable, nor does it have any performance value over
doing things portably with function pointers.

> I originally stumbled on this issue by observing that the musl dynamic
> linker, for x86_64, currently errors out on IFUNC symbols with
> 
> ```
> unknown relocation 37
> ```
> 
> And on RISC-V it throws up with
> 
> ```
> unsupported relocation type 58
> ```
> 
> which corresponds with the R_RISCV_IRELATIVE relocation.

It sounds like you have an XY problem: wanting target_clones to work.
If GCC was built correctly targeting musl, it should not support ifunc
generation at all; you shouldn't end up with unknown relocations in an
output binary because the compiler should never have emitted them. I'm
not sure, but I think GCC has mechanisms to make this functionality
work in the absence of ifunc. If not, maybe it could be enhanced to do
so.

Rich

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* Re: [musl] IFUNC support
  2024-05-09 12:35 ` Rich Felker
@ 2024-05-09 13:16   ` Maxim Blinov
  2024-05-09 13:51     ` Rich Felker
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Maxim Blinov @ 2024-05-09 13:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Rich Felker; +Cc: musl

Hi Rich, thanks for your reply,

> It sounds like you have an XY problem: wanting target_clones to work.

The way I got into the subject of relocs and IFUNCs, is that clang for
musl RISC-V outputs binaries that generate these relocs, and one of
the binaries was a test case with resolve_multiver in it. either the
compiler or musl was wrong, and i initially guessed (incorrectly) that
musl was at fault.

> If GCC was built correctly targeting musl, it should not support ifunc
> generation at all; you shouldn't end up with unknown relocations in an
> output binary because the compiler should never have emitted them.

That's my conclusion aswell. so far in my testing when building
something with target_clones, or resolve_multiver, I see:

- gcc for musl, x86_64: errors out
- gcc for musl, riscv: generates binary with IFUNCs
- clang for musl, x86_64: generates binary with IFUNCs
- clang for musl, riscv: generates binary with IFUNCs

For the LLVM side, I've opened an issue against LLVM about this
(although I'm still not 200% sure its not a misconfiguration on my
end.), link: https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/issues/91313. LLVM
currently appears to generate IFUNCs regardless. i admit i haven't yet
properly dug around in a debugger to figure out why.

For the gcc side, the reason i believe is as below:

gcc x86_64 does the right thing: gcc/configure.ac imports
gcc/config.gcc, which has logic[1] that turns off IFUNC support if
we're targeting a triple that ends in `musl`. The resultant compiled
gcc will error out if you try to use the feature. This is applied to
all triples ending in `musl`, so in theory that should be the end of
discussion.

but gcc for *RISC-V* doesn't, because the logic for checking whether
or not we have support for IFUNCS is overridden *after* gcc/config.gcc
has been parsed, in gcc/configure.ac [2], by:
- assembling a test assembly file with a `.type    foo, %gnu_indirect_function`,
- linking,
- objdumping the binary and greping for `R_RISCV_IRELATIVE`

well, i suppose outsourcing the logic to gnu ld is not unreasonable,
but does it mean that gnu ld targeting anything ending in `musl`
should throw up at the sight of `gnu_indirect_function`?

[1]: https://github.com/gcc-mirror/gcc/blob/2790195500ec523cad9c7292816540e2fc19f456/gcc/config.gcc#L3670-L3684
[2]: https://github.com/gcc-mirror/gcc/blob/2790195500ec523cad9c7292816540e2fc19f456/gcc/configure.ac#L3057-L3107

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* Re: [musl] IFUNC support
  2024-05-09 13:16   ` Maxim Blinov
@ 2024-05-09 13:51     ` Rich Felker
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Rich Felker @ 2024-05-09 13:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Maxim Blinov; +Cc: musl

On Thu, May 09, 2024 at 02:16:44PM +0100, Maxim Blinov wrote:
> Hi Rich, thanks for your reply,
> 
> > It sounds like you have an XY problem: wanting target_clones to work.
> 
> The way I got into the subject of relocs and IFUNCs, is that clang for
> musl RISC-V outputs binaries that generate these relocs, and one of
> the binaries was a test case with resolve_multiver in it. either the
> compiler or musl was wrong, and i initially guessed (incorrectly) that
> musl was at fault.
> 
> > If GCC was built correctly targeting musl, it should not support ifunc
> > generation at all; you shouldn't end up with unknown relocations in an
> > output binary because the compiler should never have emitted them.
> 
> That's my conclusion aswell. so far in my testing when building
> something with target_clones, or resolve_multiver, I see:
> 
> - gcc for musl, x86_64: errors out
> - gcc for musl, riscv: generates binary with IFUNCs
> - clang for musl, x86_64: generates binary with IFUNCs
> - clang for musl, riscv: generates binary with IFUNCs
> 
> For the LLVM side, I've opened an issue against LLVM about this
> (although I'm still not 200% sure its not a misconfiguration on my
> end.), link: https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/issues/91313. LLVM
> currently appears to generate IFUNCs regardless. i admit i haven't yet
> properly dug around in a debugger to figure out why.
> 
> For the gcc side, the reason i believe is as below:
> 
> gcc x86_64 does the right thing: gcc/configure.ac imports
> gcc/config.gcc, which has logic[1] that turns off IFUNC support if
> we're targeting a triple that ends in `musl`. The resultant compiled
> gcc will error out if you try to use the feature. This is applied to
> all triples ending in `musl`, so in theory that should be the end of
> discussion.
> 
> but gcc for *RISC-V* doesn't, because the logic for checking whether
> or not we have support for IFUNCS is overridden *after* gcc/config.gcc
> has been parsed, in gcc/configure.ac [2], by:
> - assembling a test assembly file with a `.type    foo, %gnu_indirect_function`,
> - linking,
> - objdumping the binary and greping for `R_RISCV_IRELATIVE`
> 
> well, i suppose outsourcing the logic to gnu ld is not unreasonable,
> but does it mean that gnu ld targeting anything ending in `musl`
> should throw up at the sight of `gnu_indirect_function`?
> 
> [1]: https://github.com/gcc-mirror/gcc/blob/2790195500ec523cad9c7292816540e2fc19f456/gcc/config.gcc#L3670-L3684
> [2]: https://github.com/gcc-mirror/gcc/blob/2790195500ec523cad9c7292816540e2fc19f456/gcc/configure.ac#L3057-L3107

I suspect ld tries to avoid having too much of this kind of C
implementation policy knowledge. Mechanically, an ELF-based target is
able to represent IFUNC relocations even if they won't be usable at
runtime; it's generally the compiler's responsibility to produce code
that's compatible with the target libc. I think the order of the
probes should be inverted, or the second probe should just be skipped
if ifunc was already disabled by the first. What ld wants to do with
this is a matter independent of the logic bug in gcc's configure.

Rich

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