From: Alexey Izbyshev <izbyshev@ispras.ru>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: [musl] Illegal killlock skipping when transitioning to single-threaded state
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2022 16:50:00 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2e77a700561a059e85daad5311306cfb@ispras.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221003230505.GH29905@brightrain.aerifal.cx>
On 2022-10-04 02:05, Rich Felker wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 03, 2022 at 06:54:17PM -0400, Rich Felker wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 03, 2022 at 11:27:05PM +0200, Szabolcs Nagy wrote:
>> > * Szabolcs Nagy <nsz@port70.net> [2022-10-03 15:26:15 +0200]:
>> >
>> > > * Alexey Izbyshev <izbyshev@ispras.ru> [2022-10-03 09:16:03 +0300]:
>> > > > On 2022-09-19 18:29, Rich Felker wrote:
>> > > > > On Wed, Sep 07, 2022 at 03:46:53AM +0300, Alexey Izbyshev wrote:
>> > > ...
>> > > > > > Reordering the "libc.need_locks = -1" assignment and
>> > > > > > UNLOCK(E->killlock) and providing a store barrier between them
>> > > > > > should fix the issue.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I think this all sounds correct. I'm not sure what you mean by a store
>> > > > > barrier between them, since all lock and unlock operations are already
>> > > > > full barriers.
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Before sending the report I tried to infer the intended ordering semantics
>> > > > of LOCK/UNLOCK by looking at their implementations. For AArch64, I didn't
>> > > > see why they would provide a full barrier (my reasoning is below), so I
>> > > > concluded that probably acquire/release semantics was intended in general
>> > > > and suggested an extra store barrier to prevent hoisting of "libc.need_locks
>> > > > = -1" store spelled after UNLOCK(E->killlock) back into the critical
>> > > > section.
>> > > >
>> > > > UNLOCK is implemented via a_fetch_add(). On AArch64, it is a simple
>> > > > a_ll()/a_sc() loop without extra barriers, and a_ll()/a_sc() are implemented
>> > > > via load-acquire/store-release instructions. Therefore, if we consider a
>> > > > LOCK/UNLOCK critical section containing only plain loads and stores, (a) any
>> > > > such memory access can be reordered with the initial ldaxr in UNLOCK, and
>> > > > (b) any plain load following UNLOCK can be reordered with stlxr (assuming
>> > > > the processor predicts that stlxr succeeds), and further, due to (a), with
>> > > > any memory access inside the critical section. Therefore, UNLOCK is not full
>> > > > barrier. Is this right?
>> > >
>> > > i dont think this is right.
>> >
>> >
>> > i think i was wrong and you are right.
>> >
>> > so with your suggested swap of UNLOCK(killlock) and need_locks=-1 and
>> > starting with 'something == 0' the exiting E and remaining R threads:
>> >
>> > E:something=1 // protected by killlock
>> > E:UNLOCK(killlock)
>> > E:need_locks=-1
>> >
>> > R:LOCK(unrelated) // reads need_locks == -1
>> > R:need_locks=0
>> > R:UNLOCK(unrelated)
>> > R:LOCK(killlock) // does not lock
>> > R:read something // can it be 0 ?
>> >
>> > and here something can be 0 (ie. not protected by killlock) on aarch64
>> > because
>> >
>> > T1
>> > something=1
>> > ldaxr ... killlock
>> > stlxr ... killlock
>> > need_locks=-1
>> >
>> > T2
>> > x=need_locks
>> > ldaxr ... unrelated
>> > stlxr ... unrelated
>> > y=something
>> >
>> > can end with x==-1 and y==0.
>> >
>> > and to fix it, both a_fetch_add and a_cas need an a_barrier.
>> >
>> > i need to think how to support such lock usage on aarch64
>> > without adding too many dmb.
>>
>> I don't really understand this, but FWIW gcc emits
>>
>> ldxr
>> ...
>> stlxr
>> ...
>> dmb ish
>>
>> for __sync_val_compare_and_swap. So this is probably the right thing
>> we should have. And it seems to match what the kernel folks discussed
>> here:
>>
>> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2014-February/229588.html
>>
>> I wondered if there are similar issues for any others archs which need
>> review, but it looks like all the other llsc archs have explicit
>> pre/post barriers defined.
>
> Actually I don't understand what's going on with cmpxchg there. The
> patch I linked has it using ldxr/stxr (not stlxr) for cmpxchg. There's
> some follow-up in the thread I don't understand, about the case where
> the cas fails, but we already handle that by doing an explicit barrier
> in that case.
>
I think in that follow-up[1] they mean the following case (in musl
terms):
volatile int x, flag;
T1:
x = 1;
a_store(&flag, 1);
T2:
while (!flag);
a_cas(&x, 0, 1); // can this fail?
They want it to never fail. But if a_cas() is implemented as
ldrx/stlrx/dmb, this is not guaranteed because ldxr can be reordered
with the load of flag.
Note that musl does *not* handle this now, because a_barrier() in the
failure path is after a_ll().
[1]
https://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2014-February/229693.html
Alexey
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-10-04 13:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-09-07 0:46 Alexey Izbyshev
2022-09-19 15:29 ` Rich Felker
2022-10-03 6:16 ` Alexey Izbyshev
2022-10-03 12:33 ` Rich Felker
2022-10-03 13:26 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-10-03 21:27 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-10-03 22:54 ` Rich Felker
2022-10-03 23:05 ` Rich Felker
2022-10-04 13:50 ` Alexey Izbyshev [this message]
2022-10-04 14:12 ` Rich Felker
2022-10-04 14:19 ` Rich Felker
2022-10-04 15:43 ` Alexey Izbyshev
2022-10-04 15:57 ` Rich Felker
2022-10-04 18:15 ` Alexey Izbyshev
2022-10-04 23:21 ` Rich Felker
2022-10-04 16:24 ` James Y Knight
2022-10-04 16:45 ` Rich Felker
2022-10-05 13:52 ` James Y Knight
2022-10-04 16:01 ` Alexey Izbyshev
2022-10-04 2:58 ` Rich Felker
2022-10-04 3:00 ` Rich Felker
2022-10-04 4:59 ` Rich Felker
2022-10-04 8:16 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-10-04 10:18 ` Alexey Izbyshev
2022-10-04 5:16 ` Alexey Izbyshev
2022-10-04 8:31 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-10-04 10:28 ` Alexey Izbyshev
2022-10-05 1:00 ` Rich Felker
2022-10-05 12:10 ` Alexey Izbyshev
2022-10-05 14:03 ` Rich Felker
2022-10-05 14:37 ` Rich Felker
2022-10-05 16:23 ` Alexey Izbyshev
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