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From: Alexander Cherepanov <ch3root@openwall.com>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: [musl] Minor style patch to exit.c
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 00:02:04 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d8bd0b30-d732-5926-9c37-3674ab241218@openwall.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200119162233.GD30412@brightrain.aerifal.cx>

On 19/01/2020 19.22, Rich Felker wrote:
>> Even if we know that _start + k == _end it doesn't mean that we
>> allowed to subtract them.
> 
> Consider a function that takes a pointer p, an array a, and a length
> l, and does:
> 
> 	for (i=0; i<l; i++) if (a+i == p) return p-a;
> 
> Can f(_end,_start,k) and f(_start+k,_start,k) legitimately differ,
> despite _end==_start+k?

I guess it depends on what you mean by "legitimately" and "differ". 
Given that _start and _end are different arrays the first variant is 
undefined.

Counter-intuitive behavior of equal pointers could be demonstrated much 
easier. Suppose x and y are two objects of the same type and &x + 1 == 
&y. Is it valid to evaluate the following expressions: *(&x + 1), &x + 
2, (&y)[-1]?

> I think the answer is no, in the existing C
> language, in that the result of an expression is a pure function of
> the *values* put into it. 

The fact that two values are equal doesn't mean that they are the same 
value.

Take floating-point zeroes for example. They are equal but have 
different provenances: one came from the right, another one -- from the 
left:-)

> But compiler folks do not want to interpret
> it this way and are pushing through hidden "provenance" state, so...

IIUC they are not happy about it too but the alternatives are not that 
great.

-- 
Alexander Cherepanov

  reply	other threads:[~2020-01-19 21:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-19 11:07 Markus Wichmann
2020-01-19 11:12 ` Markus Wichmann
2020-01-19 11:31 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-01-19 12:17   ` Markus Wichmann
2020-01-19 13:33   ` Alexander Cherepanov
2020-01-19 14:24     ` Markus Wichmann
2020-01-19 14:49       ` Pascal Cuoq
2020-01-19 15:53       ` Alexander Cherepanov
2020-01-19 16:22         ` Rich Felker
2020-01-19 21:02           ` Alexander Cherepanov [this message]
2020-01-19 14:46     ` Alexander Monakov
2020-01-19 16:18       ` Rich Felker
2020-01-19 17:11         ` Alexander Monakov
2020-01-19 17:17           ` Alexander Monakov
2020-01-19 17:19           ` Rich Felker
2020-01-19 17:32             ` Alexander Monakov
2020-01-19 17:38               ` Rich Felker
2020-01-19 19:13                 ` Alexander Monakov
2020-01-19 16:33       ` Alexander Cherepanov
2020-01-19 16:39         ` Rich Felker
2020-01-19 21:34           ` Alexander Cherepanov

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