* bug: no overfullrule in footnotes!
@ 2010-12-07 11:34 Steffen Wolfrum
2010-12-08 13:14 ` Fwd: " Steffen Wolfrum
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From: Steffen Wolfrum @ 2010-12-07 11:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi,
please have a look at this minimal example below:
the version temporary gives an overfullrule for body text but not for footnotes!
Is there something can be done (for the short term)?
Regards,
Steffen
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\version[temporary]
\showframe
\starttext
Test \hbox{text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text}.
\startfootnote[ftn007]
Test \hbox{text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text}.
\stopfootnote
\stoptext
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* Fwd: bug: no overfullrule in footnotes!
2010-12-07 11:34 bug: no overfullrule in footnotes! Steffen Wolfrum
@ 2010-12-08 13:14 ` Steffen Wolfrum
2010-12-09 16:20 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Steffen Wolfrum @ 2010-12-08 13:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
> Von: Steffen Wolfrum <context@st.estfiles.de>
> Datum: 7. Dezember 2010 12:34:00 MEZ
> An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> Kopie: Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>
> Betreff: [NTG-context] bug: no overfullrule in footnotes!
> Antwort an: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
>
> Hi,
>
> please have a look at this minimal example below:
> the version temporary gives an overfullrule for body text but not for footnotes!
>
> Is there something can be done (for the short term)?
>
> Regards,
> Steffen
> -------
>
>
>
> \version[temporary]
> \showframe
>
>
> \starttext
>
> Test \hbox{text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text}.
> \startfootnote[ftn007]
> Test \hbox{text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text}.
> \stopfootnote
>
>
> \stoptext
PS: The overfullrule for footnotes is only missing in MKIV !
Steffen
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* Re: Fwd: bug: no overfullrule in footnotes!
2010-12-08 13:14 ` Fwd: " Steffen Wolfrum
@ 2010-12-09 16:20 ` Hans Hagen
2010-12-09 17:15 ` Steffen Wolfrum
2010-12-10 16:07 ` Fwd: " Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-12-09 16:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Steffen Wolfrum; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users
On 8-12-2010 2:14, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> PS: The overfullrule for footnotes is only missing in MKIV !
no overfull rules in mkiv (no plans either)
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* Re: bug: no overfullrule in footnotes!
2010-12-09 16:20 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2010-12-09 17:15 ` Steffen Wolfrum
2010-12-09 18:39 ` Hans Hagen
2010-12-10 16:07 ` Fwd: " Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Steffen Wolfrum @ 2010-12-09 17:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 09.12.2010 um 17:20 schrieb Hans Hagen:
> On 8-12-2010 2:14, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>
>> PS: The overfullrule for footnotes is only missing in MKIV !
>
> no overfull rules in mkiv (no plans either)
is this a well-founded decision?
in footnotes there is often used non-breakable url and fixed spaces (\, etc.) in abbreviations.
so overfull lines are very likely!
how can these be adjusted when they are not indicated as overfull any more?
maybe you could revise your opinion
Steffen
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* Re: bug: no overfullrule in footnotes!
2010-12-09 17:15 ` Steffen Wolfrum
@ 2010-12-09 18:39 ` Hans Hagen
2010-12-09 22:38 ` Steffen Wolfrum
2010-12-10 15:56 ` Aditya Mahajan
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-12-09 18:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 9-12-2010 6:15, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>
> Am 09.12.2010 um 17:20 schrieb Hans Hagen:
>
>> On 8-12-2010 2:14, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>
>>> PS: The overfullrule for footnotes is only missing in MKIV !
>>
>> no overfull rules in mkiv (no plans either)
>
>
>
> is this a well-founded decision?
well, i never ever use(d) overfull rules myself ... so, in order to
support it i'd also have to look at interference with recent mkiv node
list parsing based solutions, so it has a real low priority (I will
probably provide other means to check such things)
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* Re: bug: no overfullrule in footnotes!
2010-12-09 18:39 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2010-12-09 22:38 ` Steffen Wolfrum
2010-12-10 10:43 ` Marco Pessotto
2010-12-10 11:29 ` Hans Hagen
2010-12-10 15:56 ` Aditya Mahajan
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From: Steffen Wolfrum @ 2010-12-09 22:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 09.12.2010 um 19:39 schrieb Hans Hagen:
> On 9-12-2010 6:15, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>
>> Am 09.12.2010 um 17:20 schrieb Hans Hagen:
>>
>>> On 8-12-2010 2:14, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>
>>>> PS: The overfullrule for footnotes is only missing in MKIV !
>>>
>>> no overfull rules in mkiv (no plans either)
>>
>>
>>
>> is this a well-founded decision?
>
> well, i never ever use(d) overfull rules myself ... so, in order to support it i'd also have to look at interference with recent mkiv node list parsing based solutions, so it has a real low priority (I will probably provide other means to check such things)
of course, any means is welcome!
we only really need an eye-caching way to skim if lines are overfull.
as it is easy to typeset hundreds (or thousands?) of pages with context ... how to easily check where (by any reason) a line couldn't break and shot over textwidth, for instance?!
Steffen
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* Re: bug: no overfullrule in footnotes!
2010-12-09 22:38 ` Steffen Wolfrum
@ 2010-12-10 10:43 ` Marco Pessotto
2010-12-10 11:29 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Marco Pessotto @ 2010-12-10 10:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
Steffen Wolfrum <context@st.estfiles.de> writes:
> Am 09.12.2010 um 19:39 schrieb Hans Hagen:
>
>> On 9-12-2010 6:15, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 09.12.2010 um 17:20 schrieb Hans Hagen:
>>>
>>>> On 8-12-2010 2:14, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> PS: The overfullrule for footnotes is only missing in MKIV !
>>>>
>>>> no overfull rules in mkiv (no plans either)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> is this a well-founded decision?
>>
>> well, i never ever use(d) overfull rules myself ... so, in order to support it i'd also have to look at interference with recent mkiv node list parsing based solutions, so it has a real low priority (I will probably provide other means to check such things)
>
>
> of course, any means is welcome!
> we only really need an eye-caching way to skim if lines are overfull.
> as it is easy to typeset hundreds (or thousands?) of pages with context ... how to easily check where (by any reason) a line couldn't break and shot over textwidth, for instance?!
>
> Steffen
>
I used \showframe and grep against the log file.
Bests
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Marco
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* Re: bug: no overfullrule in footnotes!
2010-12-09 22:38 ` Steffen Wolfrum
2010-12-10 10:43 ` Marco Pessotto
@ 2010-12-10 11:29 ` Hans Hagen
2010-12-10 13:17 ` Steffen Wolfrum
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-12-10 11:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Steffen Wolfrum; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users
On 9-12-2010 11:38, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> as it is easy to typeset hundreds (or thousands?) of pages with context .... how to easily check where (by any reason) a line couldn't break and shot over textwidth, for instance?!
i never check ... just set the tolerance to verytolerant and stretch
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* Re: bug: no overfullrule in footnotes!
2010-12-10 11:29 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2010-12-10 13:17 ` Steffen Wolfrum
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From: Steffen Wolfrum @ 2010-12-10 13:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 10.12.2010 um 12:29 schrieb Hans Hagen:
> On 9-12-2010 11:38, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>
>> as it is easy to typeset hundreds (or thousands?) of pages with context .... how to easily check where (by any reason) a line couldn't break and shot over textwidth, for instance?!
>
> i never check ... just set the tolerance to verytolerant and stretch
... and Hans defined "\dontcomplain" :o)
Steffen
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* Re: bug: no overfullrule in footnotes!
2010-12-09 18:39 ` Hans Hagen
2010-12-09 22:38 ` Steffen Wolfrum
@ 2010-12-10 15:56 ` Aditya Mahajan
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From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2010-12-10 15:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 9-12-2010 6:15, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>
>> Am 09.12.2010 um 17:20 schrieb Hans Hagen:
>>
>>> On 8-12-2010 2:14, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>
>>>> PS: The overfullrule for footnotes is only missing in MKIV !
>>>
>>> no overfull rules in mkiv (no plans either)
>>
>>
>>
>> is this a well-founded decision?
>
> well, i never ever use(d) overfull rules myself ...
I find overfull rules to be a quick way to scan for bad line breaks. Any
other means for the same end would be nice.
Aditya
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* Re: Fwd: bug: no overfullrule in footnotes!
2010-12-09 16:20 ` Hans Hagen
2010-12-09 17:15 ` Steffen Wolfrum
@ 2010-12-10 16:07 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2010-12-10 16:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 09.12.2010 um 17:20 schrieb Hans Hagen:
> On 8-12-2010 2:14, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>
>> PS: The overfullrule for footnotes is only missing in MKIV !
>
> no overfull rules in mkiv (no plans either)
Why, supporting it isn’t such a big deal, I prefer a new key for \setupalign to enable it.
\version[temporary] % this sets \overfullrule to 4pt, default is 0pt
\setupnote[footnote][bodyfont=]
% Alternative 1, set \hfuzz at the begin of the footnote text
%\setupnotedefinition[footnote][before=\hfuzz0.1pt]
% Alternative 2, use tha align key for the footnote text
\installalign{visualize}{\hfuzz0.1pt\relax} % spac-ali.mkiv
\setupnotedefinition[footnote][align={normal,visualize}]
\starttext
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
\footnote{aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa}
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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