* \quotation, protrusion and linebreaking
@ 2022-10-11 18:00 Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context
2022-10-11 18:21 ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
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From: Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context @ 2022-10-11 18:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context; +Cc: Leah Neukirchen
Hello,
I noticed the following problem:
\showframe
\startluacode
fonts.protrusions.vectors.pure[0x201C] = { 1, 1 }
\stopluacode
\definefontfeature[default][default][protrusion=pure]
\setupalign[hanging]
\starttext
This text is unquoted.
“This text is quoted manually.”
\quotation{This text is quoted by a macro.}
This is a very long line followed by a nice linebreak, very supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.
This is a very long line followed by an ugly linebreak, not \quotation{supercalifragilisticexpialidocious}
\stoptext
The macro-quoted text is not protruded. I fixed this locally with a macro
\def\q#1{\protrusionboundary1\quotation{#1}}
Should this be default?
But the missing hyphenation I have to add myself with \-. Ideas?
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* Re: \quotation, protrusion and linebreaking
2022-10-11 18:00 \quotation, protrusion and linebreaking Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context
@ 2022-10-11 18:21 ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
2022-10-11 19:06 ` Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context @ 2022-10-11 18:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context; +Cc: Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 11.10.22 um 20:00 schrieb Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context:
> Hello,
>
> I noticed the following problem:
>
>
> \showframe
>
> \startluacode
> fonts.protrusions.vectors.pure[0x201C] = { 1, 1 }
> \stopluacode
>
> \definefontfeature[default][default][protrusion=pure]
> \setupalign[hanging]
>
> \starttext
>
> This text is unquoted.
>
> “This text is quoted manually.”
>
> \quotation{This text is quoted by a macro.}
>
> This is a very long line followed by a nice linebreak, very supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.
>
> This is a very long line followed by an ugly linebreak, not \quotation{supercalifragilisticexpialidocious}
>
> \stoptext
>
>
> The macro-quoted text is not protruded. I fixed this locally with a macro
> \def\q#1{\protrusionboundary1\quotation{#1}}
> Should this be default?
>
> But the missing hyphenation I have to add myself with \-. Ideas?
Try
\setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font]
Hraban
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* Re: \quotation, protrusion and linebreaking
2022-10-11 18:21 ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
@ 2022-10-11 19:06 ` Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context
2022-10-12 8:14 ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
2022-10-12 19:54 ` Rik Kabel via ntg-context
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From: Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context @ 2022-10-11 19:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context; +Cc: Leah Neukirchen
Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> writes:
> Am 11.10.22 um 20:00 schrieb Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context:
>> Hello,
>> I noticed the following problem:
>> \showframe
>> \startluacode
>> fonts.protrusions.vectors.pure[0x201C] = { 1, 1 }
>> \stopluacode
>> \definefontfeature[default][default][protrusion=pure]
>> \setupalign[hanging]
>> \starttext
>> This text is unquoted.
>> “This text is quoted manually.”
>> \quotation{This text is quoted by a macro.}
>> This is a very long line followed by a nice linebreak, very
>> supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.
>> This is a very long line followed by an ugly linebreak, not
>> \quotation{supercalifragilisticexpialidocious}
>> \stoptext
>> The macro-quoted text is not protruded. I fixed this locally with a
>> macro
>> \def\q#1{\protrusionboundary1\quotation{#1}}
>> Should this be default?
>> But the missing hyphenation I have to add myself with \-. Ideas?
>
> Try
> \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font]
That fixes both issues, thanks!
Not sure where I should have learned this exists, however. ;)
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* Re: \quotation, protrusion and linebreaking
2022-10-11 19:06 ` Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context
@ 2022-10-12 8:14 ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
2022-10-12 18:49 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
2022-10-12 19:54 ` Rik Kabel via ntg-context
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context @ 2022-10-12 8:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context; +Cc: Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 11.10.22 um 21:06 schrieb Leah Neukirchen:
> Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> writes:
>> \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font]
>
> That fixes both issues, thanks!
>
> Not sure where I should have learned this exists, however. ;)
Oops, I answered only to Leah:
I agree. Someone (Hans or Wolfgang, probably) told me at one time, or I
picked it up from a discussion on the list, and it’s part of my default
setup since.
Hraban
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* Re: \quotation, protrusion and linebreaking
2022-10-12 8:14 ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
@ 2022-10-12 18:49 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
2022-10-12 19:12 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
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From: Denis Maier via ntg-context @ 2022-10-12 18:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context; +Cc: denis.maier
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Henning
> Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Oktober 2022 10:15
> An: ntg-context@ntg.nl
> Cc: Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net>
> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] \quotation, protrusion and linebreaking
>
> Am 11.10.22 um 21:06 schrieb Leah Neukirchen:
> > Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> writes:
> >> \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font]
> >
Just a quick request for clarification: What does that actually do?
Best,
Denis
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* Re: \quotation, protrusion and linebreaking
2022-10-12 18:49 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
@ 2022-10-12 19:12 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-10-12 19:17 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
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From: Hans Hagen via ntg-context @ 2022-10-12 19:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Denis Maier via ntg-context; +Cc: Hans Hagen
On 10/12/2022 8:49 PM, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Henning
>> Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Oktober 2022 10:15
>> An: ntg-context@ntg.nl
>> Cc: Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net>
>> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] \quotation, protrusion and linebreaking
>>
>> Am 11.10.22 um 21:06 schrieb Leah Neukirchen:
>>> Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> writes:
>>>> \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font]
>>>
>
> Just a quick request for clarification: What does that actually do?
uses glyph in font instead (most opentype have them)
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* Re: \quotation, protrusion and linebreaking
2022-10-12 19:12 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
@ 2022-10-12 19:17 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
2022-10-12 20:25 ` Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context
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From: Denis Maier via ntg-context @ 2022-10-12 19:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context; +Cc: denis.maier
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Hans Hagen
> via ntg-context
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Oktober 2022 21:12
> An: Denis Maier via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> Cc: Hans Hagen <j.hagen@freedom.nl>
> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] \quotation, protrusion and linebreaking
>
> On 10/12/2022 8:49 PM, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Henning
> >> Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
> >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Oktober 2022 10:15
> >> An: ntg-context@ntg.nl
> >> Cc: Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net>
> >> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] \quotation, protrusion and linebreaking
> >>
> >> Am 11.10.22 um 21:06 schrieb Leah Neukirchen:
> >>> Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> writes:
> >>>> \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font]
> >>>
> >
> > Just a quick request for clarification: What does that actually do?
> uses glyph in font instead (most opentype have them)
Instead of what?
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* Re: \quotation, protrusion and linebreaking
2022-10-11 19:06 ` Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context
2022-10-12 8:14 ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
@ 2022-10-12 19:54 ` Rik Kabel via ntg-context
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From: Rik Kabel via ntg-context @ 2022-10-12 19:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 2022-10-11 15:06, Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context wrote:
> Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context<ntg-context@ntg.nl> writes:
>
>> Am 11.10.22 um 20:00 schrieb Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context:
>>> Hello,
>>> I noticed the following problem:
>>> \showframe
>>> \startluacode
>>> fonts.protrusions.vectors.pure[0x201C] = { 1, 1 }
>>> \stopluacode
>>> \definefontfeature[default][default][protrusion=pure]
>>> \setupalign[hanging]
>>> \starttext
>>> This text is unquoted.
>>> “This text is quoted manually.”
>>> \quotation{This text is quoted by a macro.}
>>> This is a very long line followed by a nice linebreak, very
>>> supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.
>>> This is a very long line followed by an ugly linebreak, not
>>> \quotation{supercalifragilisticexpialidocious}
>>> \stoptext
>>> The macro-quoted text is not protruded. I fixed this locally with a
>>> macro
>>> \def\q#1{\protrusionboundary1\quotation{#1}}
>>> Should this be default?
>>> But the missing hyphenation I have to add myself with \-. Ideas?
>> Try
>> \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font]
> That fixes both issues, thanks!
>
> Not sure where I should have learned this exists, however. ;)
Note that this does not fix the problem when the quotation begins a
footnote. See the thread "Hanging punctuation misalignment in footnotes"
(https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2014/077122.html or
https://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg73516.html, pick your
favorite archiver), where the problem is described. An test example follows:
\setuplayout [width=9cm,
height=12cm]
\definefontfeature [default]
[default]
[protrusion=quality]
\setupalign [hanging]
\setupquotation [method=font]
\setupnote [endnote]
[location=none]
\setupnotation [footnote]
[numberconversion=set 2]
\setupnotation [footnote]
[align=hanging]
\setupwhitespace [medium]
\setupbodyfont [libertinus]
\showframe
\starttext
\quotation{{\em Cantharides}} is the reported message from Sir Francis
Drake upon defeating the Spanish Armada.\endnote{\quotation{{\em
Vovi}} is
reportedly the message from James Broun|-|Ramsay on taking Oudh. Both
are as likely as the attribution of \quotation{{\em peccavi}} to
Napier after
his defeat of the Ameer of Scinde.}\footnote{“{\em Vovi}” is
reportedly the message from James Broun|-|Ramsay on taking Oudh. Both
are as likely as the attribution of \quotation{{\em peccavi}} to
Napier after
his defeat of the Ameer of Scinde.}
{\tfx This problem appears intractable. See \quotation{Re:
[NTG-context] Hanging punctuation misalignment in footnotes} on the
mailing list, where Wolfgang explains that the problem is struts.}
\placenotes[endnote]
\stoptext
A solution is welcomed.
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* Re: \quotation, protrusion and linebreaking
2022-10-12 19:17 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
@ 2022-10-12 20:25 ` Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context
2022-10-12 22:43 ` Alan Braslau via ntg-context
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From: Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context @ 2022-10-12 20:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Denis Maier via ntg-context
Cc: Wolfgang Schuster
Denis Maier via ntg-context schrieb am 12.10.2022 um 21:17:
> Instead of what?
By default the symbols are placed with a box because you aren't limited
to normal quotation marks.
\setupexternalfigure [location=default]
\setupdelimitedtext
[quotation]
[ left={\externalfigure[cow][height=\strutht]},
right={\externalfigure[cow][height=\strutht]}]
\starttext
\quotation{\input weisman }
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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* Re: \quotation, protrusion and linebreaking
2022-10-12 20:25 ` Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context
@ 2022-10-12 22:43 ` Alan Braslau via ntg-context
2022-10-13 3:56 ` Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context
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From: Alan Braslau via ntg-context @ 2022-10-12 22:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Alan Braslau
On 12/10/22 12/10/22, 14:25, Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context wrote:
> Denis Maier via ntg-context schrieb am 12.10.2022 um 21:17:
>> Instead of what?
>
> By default the symbols are placed with a box because you aren't limited
> to normal quotation marks.
>
> \setupexternalfigure [location=default]
>
> \setupdelimitedtext
> [quotation]
> [ left={\externalfigure[cow][height=\strutht]},
> right={\externalfigure[cow][height=\strutht]}]
I *like* cow delimiters (but shouldn't the right one be reflected?) ;-)
Alan
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* Re: \quotation, protrusion and linebreaking
2022-10-12 22:43 ` Alan Braslau via ntg-context
@ 2022-10-13 3:56 ` Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context
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From: Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context @ 2022-10-13 3:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Wolfgang Schuster
Alan Braslau schrieb am 13.10.2022 um 00:43:
> On 12/10/22 12/10/22, 14:25, Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context wrote:
>> Denis Maier via ntg-context schrieb am 12.10.2022 um 21:17:
>>> Instead of what?
>>
>> By default the symbols are placed with a box because you aren't limited
>> to normal quotation marks.
>>
>> \setupexternalfigure [location=default]
>>
>> \setupdelimitedtext
>> [quotation]
>> [ left={\externalfigure[cow][height=\strutht]},
>> right={\externalfigure[cow][height=\strutht]}]
>
> I *like* cow delimiters (but shouldn't the right one be reflected?) ;-)
Better?
\setupdelimitedtext
[quotation]
[
left={\offset[y=.5\strutdp]{\externalfigure[cow][height=\dimexpr\strutht+.5\strutdp\relax]}\nbsp},
right={\nbsp\mirror{\offset[y=.5\strutdp]{\externalfigure[cow][height=\dimexpr\strutht+.5\strutdp\relax]}}}]
Wolfgang
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